Baynes Thinks He's Worth $2M a Year

[TampaDude]

Nono, you like to talk about what we know for sure (earlier post), but not in this case? We don't know for sure that he's worth 2 million. We know for sure he's worth 1.1 million because that is currently what someone is willing to pay. Baynes and you think he's worth 2, but you guys aren't writing any checks. Again, he's been given a raise, if he wants a windfall, that's up to him and his agent. That's what free agency is all about. I much rather they put Baynes in the hot seat to save a million and not play hardball with Kawhi, etc. If they save a million here and there over the years it adds up to real money that they can give to players that we can't live without. We would like to have him back, but we can live without him. I don't think most of us care if they pay him 2 million, but only if there is a serious offer from someone else. It's been mentioned over and over, but why bid against yourself, and why start a negotiation at your extreme offer? It usually doesn't work that way for me, but I don't deal with such large numbers. Maybe the art of negotiation is different for you and you find bidding against yourself and starting at your extreme price a successful strategy. (I am assuming that The Spurs wouldn't be interested in him for much more than that.) But, I find that when I bid against myself I get buyer's remorse in addition to lost profit, and when I start at my extreme, I lose deals because the other party never takes me at my word that max means max or min means min, instead interpreting my offer as weakness or beginning for negotiation, then when they counter my max/min, and I refuse to go higher/lower, they see me as being recalcitrant and unwilling to negotiate. What The Spurs have done is just fine. Offered him a raise, and said that if he gets any other offers they would be interested in trying to be competetive with those offers, to a point. A maxim that I have found very useful is this: "The first person to give a number loses." As with all maxims, it's not perfect, but this one has been helpful to me on more occasions than any other I can remember. So, when I am forced to name a number first, as sometimes it can't be avoided, I always name as ridiculous a number I can that will still be in the realm of negotiation. Essentially, I attempt to follow the maxim, still. Give a number without giving a number. (Let's get in that boat and fight on that island over there.) You attempt to elicit a response from the other party. The Spurs have done even better than that, as his offer is above the minimum for his years of experience, I believe. They're showing respect. They're not totally playing hardball with him. All he has to do is bring in another offer. What's the problem? The problem is he either doesn't have one, or he doesn't want to live in China for three years, etc. I suspect that's the case. He has an offer, but doesn't like what it entails, and is being resentful of the fact that if he wants more money he's going to have to live in an environment that he maybe doesn't feel he'll enjoy as much. Tough ties. In those scenarios why do I have to pay you another million? You want it? Take your newlywed wife and go earn it in China for a year or three. Oh, wait, those Chinese offers come with the stipulation that you have to live in China? . Didn't realize that. You mean every Sheila MIGHT NOT want to live in China for 1-3 years? Tell her to not be such a Xenophobe and pack her suitcases and her pocket Mandarin dictionary. Internet isn't totally restricted over there, with the right government do ents, she should still be able to use Skype to communicate with you and family and friends, and there may be an ex-pat community she can knit with while you're away on the road. Or, she can stay back in Australia, and you can see her on occasions and the offseason. It's cool. Just mail her back that extra 900k, it smooths over the wrinkles in those long distance relationships. At my day job, I don't make as much as I could 90 miles south of San Antonio as an engineer in the oil fields. I am sure that's true for a lot of people on these boards. We take less money because that. That's Baynes decision. I won't blame him one bit if he leaves, but him for being what I think was a 300lb. , beginning several months ago, with a whiny comment in the media. Ball's in his court until October 1. Otherwise we find another bruiser that can't shoot, dribble, or pass, even though I like the bruiser he is and want to keep him.

Dude...lay off the meth...

[littlecoyotecoin]

God forbid some of you should ever be confronted in a dark alley by an actual book.

[benefactor]

God forbid some of you should ever be confronted in a dark alley by an actual book.

[mkurts]

Let it go, Baynes obviously thinks himself better than a Spurs reserve. He can go to China and be the starting PF on their crap teams.

[RD2191]

Nono, you like to talk about what we know for sure (earlier post), but not in this case? We don't know for sure that he's worth 2 million. We know for sure he's worth 1.1 million because that is currently what someone is willing to pay. Baynes and you think he's worth 2, but you guys aren't writing any checks. Again, he's been given a raise, if he wants a windfall, that's up to him and his agent. That's what free agency is all about. I much rather they put Baynes in the hot seat to save a million and not play hardball with Kawhi, etc. If they save a million here and there over the years it adds up to real money that they can give to players that we can't live without. We would like to have him back, but we can live without him. I don't think most of us care if they pay him 2 million, but only if there is a serious offer from someone else. It's been mentioned over and over, but why bid against yourself, and why start a negotiation at your extreme offer? It usually doesn't work that way for me, but I don't deal with such large numbers. Maybe the art of negotiation is different for you and you find bidding against yourself and starting at your extreme price a successful strategy. (I am assuming that The Spurs wouldn't be interested in him for much more than that.) But, I find that when I bid against myself I get buyer's remorse in addition to lost profit, and when I start at my extreme, I lose deals because the other party never takes me at my word that max means max or min means min, instead interpreting my offer as weakness or beginning for negotiation, then when they counter my max/min, and I refuse to go higher/lower, they see me as being recalcitrant and unwilling to negotiate. What The Spurs have done is just fine. Offered him a raise, and said that if he gets any other offers they would be interested in trying to be competetive with those offers, to a point. A maxim that I have found very useful is this: "The first person to give a number loses." As with all maxims, it's not perfect, but this one has been helpful to me on more occasions than any other I can remember. So, when I am forced to name a number first, as sometimes it can't be avoided, I always name as ridiculous a number I can that will still be in the realm of negotiation. Essentially, I attempt to follow the maxim, still. Give a number without giving a number. (Let's get in that boat and fight on that island over there.) You attempt to elicit a response from the other party. The Spurs have done even better than that, as his offer is above the minimum for his years of experience, I believe. They're showing respect. They're not totally playing hardball with him. All he has to do is bring in another offer. What's the problem? The problem is he either doesn't have one, or he doesn't want to live in China for three years, etc. I suspect that's the case. He has an offer, but doesn't like what it entails, and is being resentful of the fact that if he wants more money he's going to have to live in an environment that he maybe doesn't feel he'll enjoy as much. Tough ties. In those scenarios why do I have to pay you another million? You want it? Take your newlywed wife and go earn it in China for a year or three. Oh, wait, those Chinese offers come with the stipulation that you have to live in China? . Didn't realize that. You mean every Sheila MIGHT NOT want to live in China for 1-3 years? Tell her to not be such a Xenophobe and pack her suitcases and her pocket Mandarin dictionary. Internet isn't totally restricted over there, with the right government do ents, she should still be able to use Skype to communicate with you and family and friends, and there may be an ex-pat community she can knit with while you're away on the road. Or, she can stay back in Australia, and you can see her on occasions and the offseason. It's cool. Just mail her back that extra 900k, it smooths over the wrinkles in those long distance relationships. At my day job, I don't make as much as I could 90 miles south of San Antonio as an engineer in the oil fields. I am sure that's true for a lot of people on these boards. We take less money because that. That's Baynes decision. I won't blame him one bit if he leaves, but him for being what I think was a 300lb. , beginning several months ago, with a whiny comment in the media. Ball's in his court until October 1. Otherwise we find another bruiser that can't shoot, dribble, or pass, even though I like the bruiser he is and want to keep him.

[Dex]

God forbid some of you should ever be confronted in a dark alley by an actual book.

Books use paragraphs, too.

[RD2191]

God forbid some of you should ever be confronted in a dark alley by an actual book.

[look_at_g_shred]

God forbid some of you should ever be confronted in a dark alley by an actual book.

It's the internet bruh. No one comes here to read novels. They come here for s and ass tbh..

[Splits]

It's the internet bruh. No one comes here to read novels. They come here for s and ass tbh..

[SupremeGuy]

[spurraider21]

where can i order one of these?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Books use paragraphs, too.

You should be thanking me. My lack of formatting which gave you such cause for whining, has spawned the eye-candy we all prefer anyway. Of course, you could just scroll on past the text if it's so ing hard to read, and we can all do Google image searches for the boobies, but what fun would that be? A whiny circle-jerk is always more fun.

[Nero5]

The implication that them "working out a whole heap of them" has been some sort of failure is absurd. 1) They've actually offered Ayon a deal, presumably contingent on Baynes not signing October first, as an outcome of these workouts and this search process you're denigrating. 2) He declined, and it isn't customary to offer multiple dudes a deal for a spot that is already spoken for, so they'll refocus on the next dude given Ayon signing with Madrid, while waiting on 10/1 to arrive. 3) these workouts are standard practice. Par for the course. I guess they fail every year because they workout a bunch of guys every year that they don't sign. Or, maybe it's just due dilligence, scouting, and good contingency planning and investing? 4) As Exstatic points out, Baynes was plucked from obscurity for cheap, and there is no reason to believe that The Spurs don't have their eye on a couple, or even a handfull of other prospects that they would like to explore by having them on the end of the bench. I like Baynes for his role, but it's not a complicated one. If they aren't afraid of losing him to a pay increase, I can't be too afraid of it, either. I like Daye's upside potential, but it's based on what we've got him for, which is next to nothing, and for one year - unless he somehow breaks out. If he contributes as little as Baynes did, and asks for double the money, I would have to politely show him the door, too. Next year. Baynes is a known commodity, and The Spurs just don't value that commodity as high as Baynes does. He got a 41% raise. If he wants a bigger raise than that he's got to bring some offers to the table. It's pretty simple. I would like to have him back just because he's familiar with the system, good in certain matchups, but he's not got much more upside than we've seen, and he is replaceable. And he and Ayers are somewhat redundant except for guarding a Howard. Spurs don't seem too worried about him guarding Howard.

meh! You are prjecting a little or simply misreading as I was not denigrating. They have sought to see what is in the market, it keeps pressure on Baynes and they look to options. THey have not found an option so far.

[spurraider21]

he was right. got 2.1

[SupremeGuy]

he was right. got 2.1

[Galileo]

Baynes is worth $ 2 million and in a year or two will be worth a lot more than that.

Galileostradamus nailed this one!!!!

[Ice009]

I said it all along that he should get a raise.

lol, people said no way the Spurs do that.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I said it all along that he should get a raise.

lol, people said no way the Spurs do that.

Let's be real. Almost no one said they wouldn't pay or that he wasn't worth it. The Spurs publicly admitted they were willing to up their offer if need be. We said they shouldn't bid against themselves, which there is no indication that they did. There was always a very good chance they would reach some agreement, eventually.

Work on something with long odds.

[Ice009]

Did I say that no-one said they wouldn't pay or that he wasn't worth it? No, I didn't.

A lot of the posters here said they won't bid against themselves and up the offer at all. They said the Spurs would move on if he didn't sign the QO.

Where's the proof of those other offers that the Spurs matched? If you don't have any proof of those offers, then for now, we'll just say you guys were wrong.

[SupremeGuy]

I said it all along that he should get a raise.

lol, people said no way the Spurs do that.

Exactly. I'm looking at you exstatic and dumper.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. I'm looking at you exstatic and dumper.

I said it makes sense to overpay him to keep it a one-year deal.

[cjw]

The amount really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things given they're well below the tax. In a way, having several guys on one year deals that make a decent amount (Bonner over $1mm, Baynes $2mm, Ayres and Daye still around) would allow for a trade if needed in which they take back salary. Those four make $6 million on their own, which means $9 million could come back in a trade and that doesn't include the Anderson / Cojo piece that would also have to be shipped out as an asset. Not saying a big contract coming back has a real chance of happening, but they certainly have the contracts to do it if needed. Just please don't let it be an RJ again.

That combined with still having the full MLE to pursue buyouts is one of the more underrated parts of the offseason - maintaining flexibility.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I said it all along that he should get a raise.

lol, people said no way the Spurs do that.

"...people said no way The Spurs do that..."?!

Again, The Spurs said PUBLICLY that they were willing to give him a raise, if it came to that. Almost no one said they would not, because The Spurs admitted they would very early on. And, if you want to deny the reported offer(s) out of Asia existed so you can claim a moral victory, more power to you, but it just looks like business as usual to me. The Spurs did what they said they would do...match any reasonable offer. Or, in this case, come close enough that it outweighed moving to China for a few years. Offers go unpublicized all the time, Baynes wasn't going to NOT PLAY vs. play for 1.1 million, so the only reasonable conclusion is that he had some kind of better offer on the table, or The Spurs would have gotten him for 1.1.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The amount really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things given they're well below the tax. In a way, having several guys on one year deals that make a decent amount (Bonner over $1mm, Baynes $2mm, Ayres and Daye still around) would allow for a trade if needed in which they take back salary. Those four make $6 million on their own, which means $9 million could come back in a trade and that doesn't include the Anderson / Cojo piece that would also have to be shipped out as an asset. Not saying a big contract coming back has a real chance of happening, but they certainly have the contracts to do it if needed. Just please don't let it be an RJ again.

That combined with still having the full MLE to pursue buyouts is one of the more underrated parts of the offseason - maintaining flexibility.

I'm pretty sure they want to keep the team in tact. They put all their ducks in a row toward that end. I doubt they did it just to pull off a trade, but I guess it could happen. However, continuity is a big deal to them.

[wildcardX]

Well I read Harry Potter and HOLY !!!! How does her leg.......and her back folding........


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