Stephen Hawking doesn't believe in God

[Koolaid_Man]

The stupidest thing that this very smart guy has ever said - I guess I can give him a pass because he has been a pretty heavy cat throughout his life - despite his physical disadvantages.

According to this article he's been visiting houses for the past 5 yrs. Imagine the unfortunate hooker that has to suck his . Disgusting. He's mad at god because he cant get down like the rest of us. Everything for him is sideways. Like this :-)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-sex-club.html

[xmas1997]

May god strike him and make him paralyz....


wait...

Which part of the statement are you misinformed about?

Reality goes on - independently - of humans.

Take humans off of the planet and nature/reality would continue and things would happen -

no one would be here to stupidly make a judgement - good or bad.

Dare to find something untruthful about that statement at your own peril.

We would theorize that reality would go on without us, but who would know this for sure and who would verify it? No one since there would be no human who could say.

Thus for all practical purposes as far as we humans are concerned, there would be no "reality", and thus no 'God', to ponder over.

Psuedo-spiritual babble aside, your entire schtick involves passing judgment on other posters as if you're somehow better than them, so you don't get to call others "stupid" for passing judgment on anything....

Excellent trollish statement, but ignorant nonetheless. You are trying really hard to become my disciple through your trollish BS.

Absolutely incorrect.

Words are things invented by humans to describe reality.

Except that words can only point to, allude to, stab at something that corresponds to reality but words are not reality.
Words cut up reality. Different cultures even cut up reality differently.

You can choke on the word "god" if you want to. You can even conjure up some "idea" in your head about what "god" is and even worse -

you can then argue with other people that have conjured up something entirely different from your fabrication -


You can do that 24/7 if you want to.

I choose not to because I sense that I would be as far removed from what "god" might be - so as to make me look pretty ridiculous.

Leading an aware person into realizing that this is an undefinable mystery.

Others can take stabs at defining it - I refuse.

Canook, I think what he is trying to get across is that he doesn't really know one way or the other if God truly exists, yet what he has heard and read of others' notions, make it is a preposterous notion to even begin to try to define such a concept, or hypothesize a concept, that most consider beyond our human mental abilities to consider.

Thus his (SBM) notion of God being "undefinable".

Why undertake such an action as to define the "unknowable" by attributing "knowable" attributes to? That is the epitome of futility.

And then on top of that, others attempt to argue over those definitions, which MAY in fact be the furthest from what the real truth actually is.

Thus no one who lives have any "EXACT" idea of God (is, or isn't), and you are correct, it is like saying that 'txtdyeiondifa' is a mystery and thus impossible for the human mind to comprehend.

I am amazed at the human imagination for even coming up with the idea of God in the first place, it seems like a conumdrum, an impossibility to imagine the impossible, yet we have.

I don't think SBM ever stated that God IS, because I gather that the whole concept of God to SBM is beyond our comprehension, thus silly and trivial to argue over conceived attributes.

[silverblk mystix]

We would theorize that reality would go on without us, but who would know this for sure and who would verify it? No one since there would be no human who could say.

Thus for all practical purposes as far as we humans are concerned, there would be no "reality", and thus no 'God', to ponder over.




Excellent trollish statement, but ignorant nonetheless. You are trying really hard to become my disciple through your trollish BS.





Canook, I think what he is trying to get across is that he doesn't really know one way or the other if God truly exists, yet what he has heard and read of others' notions, make it is a preposterous notion to even begin to try to define such a concept, or hypothesize a concept, that most consider beyond our human mental abilities to consider.

Thus his (SBM) notion of God being "undefinable".

Why undertake such an action as to define the "unknowable" by attributing "knowable" attributes to? That is the epitome of futility.

And then on top of that, others attempt to argue over those definitions, which MAY in fact be the furthest from what the real truth actually is.

Thus no one who lives have any "EXACT" idea of God (is, or isn't), and you are correct, it is like saying that 'txtdyeiondifa' is a mystery and thus impossible for the human mind to comprehend.

I am amazed at the human imagination for even coming up with the idea of God in the first place, it seems like a conumdrum, an impossibility to imagine the impossible, yet we have.

I don't think SBM ever stated that God IS, because I gather that the whole concept of God to SBM is beyond our comprehension, thus silly and trivial to argue over conceived attributes.

Thanks xmas...

fairly close to my thoughts on this subject.

[xmas1997]

It is a little futile and thus disconcerting to attribute humanly conceived attributes to a Devine unknowable En y.

Even though we were made "supposedly" made in His Image.

What exactly does "made in His Image" mean?

Whatever we debate or think we know, on the subject, it may or may not even come close to what Gods' understanding of it is, as compared to humanity' understanding of the matter.

How do we get past the conundrum of knowing anything at all of some en y that is supposedly unknowable?

[silverblk mystix]

sbm... you aren't even making a point and it feels like you are deliberately dumbing down your argument to make a point.


Not dumbing down or trying to dumb down anything. A self evident truth is as simple and direct a thing to say. No one on the planet has ever accurately defined what "god" is. Because no one has that capability - therefore it is a mystery. It is undefinable.
Which part of this is not clear?

do you believe in god? we all know you do.


If no one in the history of the planet has ever accurately defined "god" - then why would I take another idiotic step and try to believe or disbelieve? It cannot fit in my brain that humans want to take a side or a stand on something undefinable.






so if you yourself are claiming that god is not definable, then how the do you know you believe in it? how can you believe in something that you don't even know is? it makes no sense.



One cannot ever define an unknowable and undefinable mystery -- the best humans can do is to say that "god" is unknowable. The only thing that can maybe be stated is what "god" is not...
I don't think that "god" is something separate from us...or separate from the universe or creation - it does not fit in my brain when people say "do you believe in god?" "do you think god created this or that?" ...as if this "god" was a separate thing from us - from the universe - it just does not make sense at all... NOT THAT. You can ask the question regarding god a million different ways - and the only true & accurate response would be "NOT THAT"

if you have a belief in god, then you must have some definition of it. please enlighten us as to your definition/understanding of the god you believe in. you've quoted the bible to me a few times so i'm assuming you believe in the judeo-christian god, which FYI is pretty clearly defined

^ NOT THAT ^



The bible quote was just me responding to YOUR inaccurate interpretation - of a passage - and was not anything other than that. Unlike people that distort bible passages and condescend to people who believe in the bible - I do not throw out the baby with the bathwater when referring to the bible - I can fully understand and accept that there may be odd or inaccurate information in there as well as a pot of gold in there also. Only rigid blind people will find one thing wrong in the bible and completely dismiss all of it immediately - therefore missing out on the pot of gold and clues to truth and freedom that can be found in it. I also find more problems with people who "think they know" (bible haters/christian haters) than people who simply rely on faith.

[spurraider21]

i asked you if you believe in god. you are sidestepping the question and are making no sense as usual

[silverblk mystix]

i asked you if you believe in god. you are sidestepping the question and are making no sense as usual

Re-read the answer plainly stated in red above.

[silverblk mystix]

If no one in the history of the planet has ever accurately defined "god" - then why would I take another idiotic step and try to believe or disbelieve? It cannot fit in my brain that humans want to take a side or a stand on something undefinable.

[spurraider21]

Re-read the answer plainly stated in red above.

yes or no question. do you believe in a god?

a yes or no question literally requires a 1 word answer. provide that

[silverblk mystix]

yes or no question. do you believe in a god?

a yes or no question literally requires a 1 word answer. provide that

Not that ^

[spurraider21]

your inability to provide a very simple one word answer to a very simple question its telling about where this conversation is going. you're taking the xmas approach

[silverblk mystix]

your inability to provide a very simple one word answer to a very simple question its telling about where this conversation is going. you're taking the xmas approach

Words and concepts and explanations and beliefs - are all human inventions -


having nothing to do with any god - much less a "god" that has never been accurately defined.

Why would I argue over a word?


That word having nothing at all to do with reality....

[spurraider21]

Words and concepts and explanations and beliefs - are all human inventions -


having nothing to do with any god - much less a "god" that has never been accurately defined.

Why would I argue over a word?


That word having nothing at all to do with reality....

forget the word. call it whatever u want. god, creator, prime mover. idgaf. do you believe in god?

[silverblk mystix]

forget the word. call it whatever u want. god, creator, prime mover. idgaf. do you believe in god?

^ not that ^

[spurraider21]

not answering the question
silverblk mystix1997

[xmas1997]

not answering the question
silverblk mystix1997

No, don't you understand?

He is basically saying he does not know, but he doubts the answer is anything any of us would understand.

Not everything is black or white, mostly there is the gray.

[spurraider21]

as usual you misunderstand. i'm asking for his beliefs, i'm not asking him to give me the definitive truth. they are different

[silverblk mystix]

So, if a blind person approaches you and asks;

Is the color blue - hot or cold? -- not that

Is it long or short? not that


Is it round? Oval? Square? Sweet? Sour? Soft?


NOT THAT!


Blind people who have no intuition,experience,knowledge - and have never ever seen the color blue - and they want something....


CS Lewis stated that we cannot know god and even our questions about god are absurd...


he also said - it is like asking the question -"how many minutes are in the color yellow?"




Just crazy to even ask that question - but - humans do it every day - then they want to argue about it -





Leave me out of it - thanks!

[xmas1997]

as usual you misunderstand. i'm asking for his beliefs, i'm not asking him to give me the definitive truth. they are different

No, I see that I understood him perfectly after reading his explanation, and thus my explanation to you was valid.

He is "neutral" on the God issue, that is plain to see.

[spurraider21]

No, I see that I understood him perfectly after reading his explanation, and thus my explanation to you was valid.

He is "neutral" on the God issue, that is plain to see.

he has quoted the bible at me several times though... if he doesn't necessarily believe in god then why would he be quoting the scripture of a specific god?

[spurraider21]

So, if a blind person approaches you and asks;

Is the color blue - hot or cold? -- not that

Is it long or short? not that


Is it round? Oval? Square? Sweet? Sour? Soft?


NOT THAT!


Blind people who have no intuition,experience,knowledge - and have never ever seen the color blue - and they want something....


CS Lewis stated that we cannot know god and even our questions about god are absurd...


he also said - it is like asking the question -"how many minutes are in the color yellow?"




Just crazy to even ask that question - but - humans do it every day - then they want to argue about it -





Leave me out of it - thanks!

wow, this makes no sense at all. not surprising coming from you

if you claim the color yellow exists, you can describe it. you can point it out. this is why when somebody says "yellow" we all understand what they mean.

if you claim we can't in ANY way explain or define god, then it is asinine to even discuss it or even postulate its existence. you can't say that might or might not exist if you can't even discuss what that something is.

so SBM, you aren't christian?

[silverblk mystix]

wow, this makes no sense at all. not surprising coming from you

Makes perfect sense - unless you are either blind, stupid or just plain dishonest.

People who have no idea what "god" is asking if you believe or not - pretty insane.

CS Lewis - one of the most respected people on the the planet based on his writings - and he laid it out pretty truthfully -

Yet - it makes no sense to you?


lol

[spurraider21]

so SBM you aren't christian?

[ChumpDumper]

CS Lewis very clearly believed in God.



I believe in Christ

-- CS Lewis

[kobe4life]

God does exist and he plays for the Lakers. Stephen Hawking should watch a Lakers game and then he would realize God's existence.