Here we go again, black guy shot by a stupid cop. This time its really the cops bad

[Chinook]

He can want to kill a black guy and not get stupid about it by emptying his gun into him. He shot how many times? It only takes one. Had it been a white girl, he wouldn't have panicked at all, probably not even a white guy. Black males get treated the same way as white skinheads or trailer trash. It's always a worst case situation every time for the cop. Unlike the white male, the black male isn't treated much differently regardless of his attire, car or education. He's shot.

Officers know that black men are exponentially more likely to be criminals and hyper aggressive than their white counterparts. They know this because they see the stats. They are told to ignore it, but they cannot and so they shoot.

Indeed. Mutual distrust that keeps building on itself.

[DMC]

I agree that the cop messed up and should have the book thrown at him. But when are we going to stop seeing people throw their lives away by acting stupid? And to think, we could have used the Brown shooting to educate people on how to interact with police. But instead, it had to be a political/racial cluster , and nobody ended up learning anything.

Such is life in America.

People know how to act with police, but it's not gangsta looking to peers to use proper protocol when interfacing with cops. White man peer pressure is to achieve success in life, but black man peer pressure is to resist assimilation into the white culture, to act gangsta, to be a thug and a pimp. That's been the case for 40 years at least. There's no peer respect for education, for business success or anything successful if it's done without infringing upon cultural or legal boundaries.

When was the last time you heard a black man, even on here, give kudos to another black person for getting a degree? Instead they will post WSHH and elevate the idiots there to god like status "damn that is a gansta.. my ".

[Chinook]

People know how to act with police, but it's not gangsta looking to peers to use proper protocol when interfacing with cops. White man peer pressure is to achieve success in life, but black man peer pressure is to resist assimilation into the white culture, to act gangsta, to be a thug and a pimp. That's been the case for 40 years at least. There's no peer respect for education, for business success or anything successful if it's done without infringing upon cultural or legal boundaries.

It's not a matter of the gangster culture. It's pretty much the exact thing that makes police officers nervous around blacks. They feel like there's going to be a conflict and act defensive preemptively.

When was the last time you heard a black man, even on here, give kudos to another black person for getting a degree? Instead they will post WSHH and elevate the idiots there to god like status "damn that is a gansta.. my ".

Really? I've heard it a lot. I don't remember if I told the story on here about the old black worker at my college trying to set me up with this black student so that we could have "smart black babies together". I've never met any working black person who hasn't either pushed me to get my degree or congratulated me on getting it.

[DMC]

It's not a matter of the gangster culture. It's pretty much the exact thing that makes police officers nervous around blacks. They feel like there's going to be a conflict and act defensive preemptively.

Really? How many cops are publishing songs about killing black people?

Really? I've heard it a lot. I don't remember if I told the story on here about the old black worker at my college trying to set me up with this black student so that we could have "smart black babies together". I've never met any working black person who hasn't either pushed me to get my degree or congratulated me on getting it.

Really. It's a running joke among blacks (Chris Rock did a bit on it). It's not all inclusive, but what is.

[Chinook]

Really? How many cops are publishing songs about killing black people?

How many cops are publishing songs, period? And what does that have to do with what I said? Black people don't cooperate with the cops because they don't trust them. Cops get antsy around blacks because they know the blacks tend not to cooperate. It's a cycle.

Really. It's a running joke among blacks (Chris Rock did a bit on it). It's not all inclusive, but what is.

Something being a running joke isn't the same as it being a major trend. Blacks (any others from poor neighborhoods, honestly) may well get discouraged from getting their degrees, but I've never really heard of a black family who isn't proud of their children doing well. , even absentee fathers all the sudden show back up when they realize they've sired a successful kid.

[DMC]

How many cops are publishing songs, period? And what does that have to do with what I said? Black people don't cooperate with the cops because they don't trust them. Cops get antsy around blacks because they know the blacks tend not to cooperate. It's a cycle.

I don't trust the government but I cooperate. If I didn't, who would feel sorry for me for being imprisoned for tax evasion? The trust issue doesn't address the imprisonment rate among black men. Are you saying black men get imprisoned at a higher clip because they don't trust cops? Somewhere in there is a truth that's itching to surface.

Something being a running joke isn't the same as it being a major trend. Blacks (any others from poor neighborhoods, honestly) may well get discouraged from getting their degrees, but I've never really heard of a black family who isn't proud of their children doing well. , even absentee fathers all the sudden show back up when they realize they've sired a successful kid.

Something being a running joke among the race it's about is based largely on truth. Mexicans tell the best Mexican jokes and blacks tell the best black jokes. I know you want to take the exception and make it the rule as if you've no idea what it's all about.

I didn't mention families. I mentioned peers. Family generally means grandma because mom is often a crack and dad is in prison or dead or just unknown. Successful in the "return of the black king" saga typically means a pro athlete, not a MSEE.

[Chinook]

I don't trust the government but I cooperate. If I didn't, who would feel sorry for me for being imprisoned for tax evasion? The trust issue doesn't address the imprisonment rate among black men. Are you saying black men get imprisoned at a higher clip because they don't trust cops? Somewhere in there is a truth that's itching to surface.

What do you not trust them to do? I guarantee you, if you felt like the government was trying to kill you, you wouldn't be nearly as cooperative as you are now.

What do prison rates have to do with this?

Something being a running joke among the race it's about is based largely on truth. Mexicans tell the best Mexican jokes and blacks tell the best black jokes. I know you want to take the exception and make it the rule as if you've no idea what it's all about.

I think you're badly misinformed. Ask black people who actually earned degrees and see if people in their lives were apathetic about it. Again, there's quite a distinction between people not being encouraged to get a degree and people not being congratulated once they get one. Having a degree means you can rise out of poverty and get a real job. Of course that means something to poor people.

I will say, though that for people who get degrees, their peer group is mostly people who have also earned their degrees, so there's no real need to congratulate them. Like, do people congratulate you on having a computer? I doubt it. Almost everyone has a computer. And almost everyone I know in my cohort either has a degree or is working toward one. It's only older folks who express happiness for me when they hear I'm educated. The rest just expected it.

[DMC]

What do you not trust them to do? I guarantee you, if you felt like the government was trying to kill you, you wouldn't be nearly as cooperative as you are now.

What do prison rates have to do with this?

If I felt like cops were trying to kill me, I wouldn't be hanging out on the corner of main street dressed like a thug with "shoot me" written on my forehead. Blacks kill each other much more often than cops kill them, and cops kill whites more often than they kill blacks, it's just no one gives a . I don't trust the government has my best interest at heart, they are self serving individuals who act as a collective to sheer the masses they don't consider to be as important as them. You don't see me hanging out around the FBI or IRS offices asking to be audited. I don't put " you" on my tax return.

Prison rates have a lot to do with it. It indicates that the "mistrust" commonality is more rational for the cop than for the black man. Cops aren't rampantly killing black men, but then black men are rampantly committing violent crimes. Odd for people afraid of authority.. to commit the rest of their lives to being ruled by officers in a cage for what, a pair of shoes and 30 dollars.

I think you're badly misinformed. Ask black people who actually earned degrees and see if people in their lives were apathetic about it. Again, there's quite a distinction between people not being encouraged to get a degree and people not being congratulated once they get one. Having a degree means you can rise out of poverty and get a real job. Of course that means something to poor people.

Why is every ty part of town in every city in the US predominately black? Oh I know, because families are pushing young blacks to stay in school.

I will say, though that for people who get degrees, their peer group is mostly people who have also earned their degrees, so there's no real need to congratulate them. Like, do people congratulate you on having a computer? I doubt it. Almost everyone has a computer. And almost everyone I know in my cohort either has a degree or is working toward one. It's only older folks who express happiness for me when they hear I'm educated. The rest just expected it.

Do you equate having a computer to having a degree? My dad doesn't own a computer and he hasn't congratulated me for owning one. You look at a family where only one person earned a degree and the rest are dropouts. How is that one person received? Is he lifted up or is he considered uncle Tom?

When a black man speaks like he was born here, acts with some sense and earns his way, he's considered "not really black". Haven't you encountered "black culture" comments and if so, what do you take that to mean?

[Chinook]

If I felt like cops were trying to kill me, I wouldn't be hanging out on the corner of main street dressed like a thug with "shoot me" written on my forehead. Blacks kill each other much more often than cops kill them, and cops kill whites more often than they kill blacks, it's just no one gives a . I don't trust the government has my best interest at heart, they are self serving individuals who act as a collective to sheer the masses they don't consider to be as important as them. You don't see me hanging out around the FBI or IRS offices asking to be audited. I don't put " you" on my tax return.

Nothing about that makes one inherently dangerous.

Prison rates have a lot to do with it. It indicates that the "mistrust" commonality is more rational for the cop than for the black man. Cops aren't rampantly killing black men, but then black men are rampantly committing violent crimes. Odd for people afraid of authority.. to commit the rest of their lives to being ruled by officers in a cage for what, a pair of shoes and 30 dollars.

Eh. Not really. Black people who don't do crimes aren't afraid of going to prison.

Why is every ty part of town in every city in the US predominately black? Oh I know, because families are pushing young blacks to stay in school.

Completely different. We went over that already.

Do you equate having a computer to having a degree? My dad doesn't own a computer and he hasn't congratulated me for owning one. You look at a family where only one person earned a degree and the rest are dropouts. How is that one person received? Is he lifted up or is he considered uncle Tom?

The point I'm making is that when something is common, it's not seen as a big deal. Going to school is common in my cohort, so there's nothing special about having a degree. That's pretty much what it's like when you have two parents who both worked hard enough to make sure you grew up in a decent neighborhood. As far as your final question goes, he's usually lifted up, if only because the family wants to exploit him. Again, I don't know where you get your information from, but no one like being poor.

When a black man speaks like he was born here, acts with some sense and earns his way, he's considered "not really black". Haven't you encountered "black culture" comments and if so, what do you take that to mean?

Have I encountered the view you laid out? Yes. I've encountered it from people of various backgrounds. I've never encountered it from older black people, though. Obviously, since my cohort was college-bound, the blacks in it were in the same boat as me and therefore did not have any reservations.

There are hundreds of universities specifically geared toward black students. There are scholarship funds for black students. There are community efforts by black people to get more blacks to go to college. It's by no means the prevailing culture to reject the idea of having an education. At best, it's sour grapes by people who don't believe it's possible for them to earn degrees themselves, for whatever reason.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Well since the academy teaches not to shoot until the officer sees a weapon, then the cop's in the wrong.

[spurraider21]

Well since the academy teaches not to shoot until the officer sees a weapon, then the cop's in the wrong.

huh, didn't know that was actually specifically taught. if a cop tells a guy to put his arms up, and instead he reaches towards his pockets (but no weapon is visible), the cop is taught to NOT shoot at that point? i'm not questioning your statement, i'm just curious

[chunticakes]

Who carries their license in the center console? I'm pretty sure that's what wallets are for. Ni gger is lucky to be alive. With that being said, the cop did royally up. Makes you wonder how many times like this has happened without the public knowing.

[Spur|n|Austin]

huh, didn't know that was actually specifically taught. if a cop tells a guy to put his arms up, and instead he reaches towards his pockets (but no weapon is visible), the cop is taught to NOT shoot at that point? i'm not questioning your statement, i'm just curious

That's a good question, I guess ultimately it comes down to the officer's digression; I'm just going off of what a police officer friend of mine has told me.

I would think that even if he puts his hands into his pockets, an officer would still be advised to see what he pulls out. With the officer's gun already drawn, it'd be a suicide mission for the perpetrator to pull a firearm.

[Brazil]

Cop pulls up and tells you to get out of the vehicle, asks for license and registration. Do you dive back into the vehicle and when you hear the cop start panicking, come back out with something in your hand? I don't. I just stand there and wait for the cop to approach me. Cop ed up, damn right, but the cop didn't get shot. Avoiding getting shot is the point, who ing cares what happens to the guy who shoots you?

I watch the video, dude was showing no hostility at all

I've been arrested once by US cops, US cops are freaking crazy if you ask me acting like ing cowboys on every situation. That's a stressful situation you react the best you can and black reaction was not perfect but did not justify at all to be shot at.

[boutons_deux]

[DMC]

I watch the video, dude was showing no hostility at all

I've been arrested once by US cops, US cops are freaking crazy if you ask me acting like ing cowboys on every situation. That's a stressful situation you react the best you can and black reaction was not perfect but did not justify at all to be shot at.

The shooting wasn't justified, that is a fact, however it could have been mitigated better by the black man.