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The regular season will be a good testbed. I trust Pop knows how long the leash needs to be.
I'm not worth...damn, you really hurt me.
As old as the concept of counting, people can look some usage rate about these situations, assist stats, close touches per game, elbow tocuches per game, etc.
But like I've said before, screenshots, stats, they're only indicators of some situation but don't fully describe the situation.
We can form different opinions, make different conclusions based on the same numbers or images. Maybe say IMO is a good thing after all...
The regular season will be a good testbed. I trust Pop knows how long the leash needs to be.
I do, too. Pop likes Leonard a lot and wants him to develop into a franchise player. He'll make sure Kawhi grows at a good pace. However, I'm more worried that Kawhi will be upset with his place on the team. He certainly didn't seem content during media day, and that kind of stuff might wear on a locker room.
Jesus, we are one game into the preseason and yall are already talking about locker room problems. The spurs are a class organization not a bunch of middle school cheerleaders. STFU
Yeah, because the Spurs have never had locker-room problems at all.
People have to get off this idea that the Spurs are saints. They have their issues just like anyone else. But they are better at keeping it in house. I'm not saying anything's going to happen. But I don't like Leonard's at ude, and I'll like it even less if his shot-selection goes south.
You just went full re , never go full reYeah, because the Spurs have never had locker-room problems at all.
People have to get off this idea that the Spurs are saints. They have their issues just like anyone else. But they are better at keeping it in house. I'm not saying anything's going to happen. But I don't like Leonard's at ude, and I'll like it even less if his shot-selection goes south.
Great to see you're bringing worthwhile takes.
I dont understand the Parker hate tbh
He is a good 5th banana
I've always seen Leonard try to make an attempt at making friends with TP but it seems like TP never embraces him, and it reflects in their play. Leonard gets ignored a lot by TP, I know, I watch Leonard almost every single play lmao. TP does show a bias towards Diaw, he always makes an effort to get him the ball, so it makes it obvious when you see pics like this, proof. TP feels threatened by Leonard, it's pretty obvious. Parker wants to be the guy in SA, Leonard is a threat to that.
Parker can put up all kinds of points, doesn't mean it's going to be productive. We've seen time and time again in the NBA even when a player is scoring, it doesn't always help a team.
Look, if you want to commit suicide over some screencaps the got OP posted, some quotes you are over-analyzing, and a preseason game that is ing meaningless.... then go ahead. Clearly you need drama in your life or something because this is the preseason and you are already losing it. Get a hobby dude, come back and talk about this if something of substance ever happens (spolier: it wont)
Are they really? Leonard has shown an ability to penetrate and finish strong, the man is 6'7 230+, he's deadly in the paint and he's not intimidated by shot blockers like Parker is. He can grill a defender like Ibaka, he's got floaters, a post game with elite size few can guard, turn around jumpers etc. Usually a player playing well on offense also plays well on defense, Leonard can take over there, TP can't. Parker's passes are nothing Leonard can't do, it's nothing special, kick out to the wide open player.Parker ISOs are much better than Leonard's, since Parker's goal is to penetrate, which almost has to force a rotation. Kawhi should be able to become a great post player, but that won't force the same type of consistent movement of the defense.
Leonard has also shown an ability to draw fouls consistently (and make them at a decent %), as well as finish strong with contact. Against OKC he was bowling through Perkins, against MIA it was Bosh and others, he's a power player.
That's still up for debate. Leonard is already a more complete offensive player than Parker was at this stage of his career, Parker was a very 1 dimensional, didn't develop a jumper for years. Leonard is one of the most complete offensive players on the team, and scores with his defense as well. He's very hard to guard as well, whereas you could always put a lengthy defender on TP to lock him down, or a shot blocker in the paint to scare him away (if his jumper wasn't falling he was done).I agree that Parker taking a back seat last year may have helped the Spurs discover their ball-movement. But MVParker is/was a better scorer than Kawhi can every hope to be. I see nothing wrong with mixing in Parker ISOs into the offense. I also don't see a problem with giving Leonard ISOs once he learns how to handle them. He won't consistently have the same hot-shooting streak he had the Finals.
Goods.
I'm not worried about the Spurs. But I don't like the way Kawhi's acting. That you don't know the difference between panic and making an observation says more about you than it does about me.
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way to speak out of your ass tbh
Unfortunately Spurstalk is laced with these. Just add them to your ignore list.
I had a look on basketball reference to see to whom Parker dished his 388 assists during regular season
Tim Duncan 105
Boris Diaw 53
Kawhi Leonard 52
Danny Green 48
Marco Belinelli 39
Manu Ginobili 31
Tiago Splitter 23
Matt Bonner 14
Jeff Ayres 10
Patrick Mills 4
So .14 of his assists go to Kawhi same than Boris... now yes Parker played more minutes with Leonard than Boris so per min ratio Kawhi is behind Boris. If you look month after month % for Kawhi increased after Kawhi had a rough start with his address.
Now look at the POs
he gave 20 of his assists out of 111 to Kawhi wich is a notable increase in %. To compare Boris received half of what Leonard got while minutes played with Boris increased vs. RS. So when it matters, Parker gave 1/3 of his assists to Tim, second feeded was Kawhi with .18 then Dany then Tiago (with low minutes played together) then Boris.
As a conclusion in POsat the notion TP shows bias towards Boris, Kawhi is the second preferred option and TP game (big surprise) is made of P&R with Tim / Tiago and find the open 3 guy (Danny / Kawhi / Beli) and definitely TP does not like Manu
Got emI had a look on basketball reference to see to whom Parker dished his 388 assists during regular season
Tim Duncan 105
Boris Diaw 53
Kawhi Leonard 52
Danny Green 48
Marco Belinelli 39
Manu Ginobili 31
Tiago Splitter 23
Matt Bonner 14
Jeff Ayres 10
Patrick Mills 4
So .14 of his assists go to Kawhi same than Boris... now yes Parker played more minutes with Leonard than Boris so per min ratio Kawhi is behind Boris. If you look month after month % for Kawhi increased after Kawhi had a rough start with his address.
Now look at the POs
he gave 20 of his assists out of 111 to Kawhi wich is a notable increase in %. To compare Boris received half of what Leonard got while minutes played with Boris increased vs. RS. So when it matters, Parker gave 1/3 of his assists to Tim, second feeded was Kawhi with .18 then Dany then Tiago (with low minutes played together) then Boris.
As a conclusion in POs
Not sure if I should laugh or feel bad...
We was talking all regular season about Kawhi wasn't enough aggressive, who can be with that assist rate?
In playoffs, second preferred option on only 100/110 assist when 1/3 of them are Tim plays...
Really, they aren't good numbers for a young player who wants a bigger role on offense, even they aren't good for an elite PG like Parker. A low, low percentage.
tp should give less touches to Duncan and privileged Kawhi ? I'm fine with TP feeding Duncan tbh after him next target is Kawhi not sure what is wrong here. p&r and open 3s are the bread and butter on Spurs offense, Duncan and splitter are elite on that but why not trying some with Kawhi ala Lebron.
at the end what matters is winning games
Lol, the outta here. You usually bring good takes but I have no idea what the you're talking about. Leonard's at ude? Really?Yeah, because the Spurs have never had locker-room problems at all.
People have to get off this idea that the Spurs are saints. They have their issues just like anyone else. But they are better at keeping it in house. I'm not saying anything's going to happen. But I don't like Leonard's at ude, and I'll like it even less if his shot-selection goes south.
No. I said these stats are low/ low porcentage.
tp should give less touches to Duncan and privileged Kawhi ?
If Tony increases his assists rate, Kawhi would benefit from new numbers
I think Kawhi is frustrated with his contract situation, riding a high from the Finals. That's all understandable. But I also think he feels he deserves more minutes/touches. But those things are relative. Every minute/touch he gets is one less someone else gets. It's not going to go over well with teammates if anyone is complaining about their usage, since they're ALL sacrificing, and some have sacrificed for years, for the good of the whole.Lol, the outta here. You usually bring good takes but I have no idea what the you're talking about. Leonard's at ude? Really?
I think Leonard's ego is creeping out a bit. In some ways, that's a good and even necessary thing for his long-term progression. But his shot-selection will be telling. If he jacks up a bunch a jumpers like he did in the last game (which is pre-season and is not a reliable indicator of what will end up happening), then I will officially begin to worry about this. He has the potential to be a very good scorer, but his Finals performance (offensively) was almost as flukey as Green's the year before. That Leonard (again, offensively) isn't going to help the team win consistently.
It's been a long time since Pop has had to groom a "star". We'll see how the situation with Leonard plays out.
It's pretty obvious if you've ever watched a spurs game, there is a reason Parker isn't getting Leonard the ball. You can just tell by his at ude
I don't follow you... What is low ? Parker total number of assists ?
When you will back up what you are saying with facts and numbers... Come back to me
at ude
yep. a post play should be the result of the offense, not the initiation of the offense. unless you have a legendary post player who is also a great passer, like prime Duncan, just running postups for an iso player will stagnate an offense. we see this with melo and past-prime kobe.
but if you run a play/set which generates movement/rotation that is able to free up Kawhi for good post position to finish, thats different
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