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Noah is the true got, not Pierce. I understand your hatred against Pierce though, pwned the Lakers in 08 but dude is a respectable player imho.Noah brushed this little off and this was his response. What a gigantic wheelchair loving got
Last edited by Thebesteva; 10-10-2014 at 02:08 AM.
Noah is the true got, not Pierce. I understand your hatred against Pierce though, pwned the Lakers in 08 but dude is a respectable player imho.
remember when the celtics big 3 never formed, and every time pierce does a hustle move he gets all hard and after and1 play like his the
Lmao Gangsta Pee
Great player.
Tough as nails.
Underrated franchise superstar.
Still a wanna be gangsta, wanksta though ...
That's reaching. He's a good (not great) second banana tbh.
Dude was stabbed 40 + times in the back, chest and neck. And a broken bottle smashed to his head. I doubt a corn hole country pussy like Noah would scare him
You do realize scanry that Pierce is I believe in the top 3 all-time (if not all-time leader) in points for the Celts? Not a new team like the Heat. But the Celts of Bird, Hondo, Cousy, Cowens McHale? I dont like Pierce but how is he not considered just a "notch" below dirk? He is franchise superstar. Both were ins Same draft. Same number of rings and same number of final appearances. Both have a Finals MVP but PP lacks a regular season one. Again I do think Dirk is greater ... but it's closer than most would think. And dont say it's because KG carried them to that le, because KG played a role similar to what Tyson did for Dirk.
This. Paul Pierce......use to be the but I think his work is overshadowed by previous Celtic championships.
Dirk in his early and prime years no matter what the Dallas front office did with the roster kept his team not only in the playoffs but as a 50+ win regular season team... 11 consecutive seasons. When the Celtics shuffled their roster in Pierce's prime, they missed the post season twice in a brutal Eastern Conference and had the second worst record in the league one of those seasons. Before KG joined the Celtics, Boston never won 50 games even once with Pierce as the main guy or one of the main guys in 9 seasons.
It's a team game and supporting casts absolutely matter, but there is a strong enough argument as to why Dirk is viewed as clearly more than just a notch above Pierce as a player. And I tend to agree with it.
Last edited by JamStone; 10-10-2014 at 10:11 AM.
In other words we agree? I said I felt he was a notch below Dirk ... I just said when you look at the numbers it's close ... especially scoring. Dirk is obviously the better rebounder but Pierce was not a slouch for his position. and both built a clutch reputation off a glorious post-season run. Dirk has been the more reliable playoff and regular performer. Pierce has no season that compares to Dirk's best ... Like you pointed out Pierce has some uneven seasons ...just saying that to say he is not a franchise superstar ...(not you but the guys I responded to is crazy) it's tough to exclude when he has so many records for one of the premier franchise in all of sports.
Nope. Edited. "More than just a notch."
Dirk will probably go down as a top 25 player all time. I'm not sure Pierce cracks the top 50 even after his Finals MVP. More than just a notch.
Also some of the same criticisims could be leveled at Hakeem, btw. And again everything you said is why he is a notch below Dirk. KG also never made a Finals with out PP Pierce did lead a crappy celts team to a ECF in thw Pierce/Walker era IIRC.
Franchise superstar in his prime (late 20s) leads his team to the second worst record in the league. As the franchise player, never got his team to 50 wins and in his prime, the East was pathetic. Needed a HOF teammate and another borderline (at the time) HOF teammate to win. Are you sure Pierce is a franchise superstar?
A huge, notch? Lol
I dont even care for or like Pierce that much. but I will say he has to be a top 50 guy. How could he not? I dont know how his last seasons play out but based on his Celtics numbers he has to be. And maybe "tier" would be a better word than "notch". I love James Worthy. one of my all-time favorite Lakers and I do believe in his prime he could have carried a team (probably not a le contender but he could have put up points) and his resume is not as good as Pierce based on numbers. eye test I think in some areas I would rather have worthy (low post) in others Pierce. But I would be dishonest if I did not say that Pierce doesn't have a stronger top 50 resume than James.
I love dirk never meant to discredit him just giving Pierce some praise.
I say yes.
HOf'er yes.
Champion? Yes
One of the best at his position in his era? yes.
all-time great? No.
Revolutionary for the position? No
Same level as Dirk? No.
IS dirk way above Pierce ... Probably.
Clear advantage? Yes.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 10-10-2014 at 10:48 AM.
No it can't. Been discussed on these boards before. Early and in his prime, a Hakeem Rockets team never had a losing record, won 50 games multiple times. The only season his team missed the playoffs in his prime was a season they finished 42-40 and missed the playoffs by 1 game. He missed 12 games and the Rockets were 2-10 in those games. Not quite the same thing as the Celtics missing the playoffs twice in a brutal East and having the second worst record in the league under Pierce's "prime" leadership.
Key word was "some". And yes I am aware it has been discussed and on those debates I was on the "hakeem side" ...i believe you were as well. I was just saying that it could be made and it has been has it not? I enjoy our back and forth and respect the heck out of you but one thing that I noticed that you sometimes get hung up on word choice even if I clarify. I already said notch was probably not the best choice of word but since I said "some" your response doesn't exactly refute that since I am not making that case here. Just bring it to your attention which you clearly recalled. the same arguments are made against Kobe here as well and though you are right not the same as what Pierce did or did not do. I was just pointing that out.
Pierce has been underrated for the most part of his career, he's been overshadowed by much exciting players of his generation. But his legacy isn't as great as his contemporaries. I'd say he's right there with the likes of Ray Allen or Vince Carter.
I would say Ray is a good comparison, I think overall Pierce should get a nod on VC but VC does have some great numbers, just not great playoff results.
And to clarify for you and Jam I am not even saying Pierce is all that great. My point is that he has ticked off a lot of similar boxes to Dirk and as Jam and you both are saying you dont even really see him close to that. My post was really a why not post? And I think Jam for the most part gave great reasons why. I just was pointing out that other great players have holes or flaws on their resumes that Pierce does as well.
BTW Jam, I do see that Lebron (an Durant) expressed the same concerns I had about new TV deal. I thought you said it was not his fight?
Last edited by Killakobe81; 10-10-2014 at 10:47 AM.
Honestly though, playing for the Celtics played a huge part in his legacy. I'd give him credit for being a champion, only because you don't overlook that type of thing regardless if you view it as a team effort or whatnot, and for actually playing consistently on both ends of the floor. But he's never been the type of player that can totally dominate, like Dirk in this example. As both Laker fans, and we may have a different opinion on this, we know Pierce is highly overrated on that 2008 Finals. I thought Allen was bigger than Pierce in that series.
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