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  1. 10-14-2014 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
    Five straight games of an 120+ passer rating (an NFL record) and he just won a game he would have choked away in previous years.... he also has had a O-line all year and most of his career...
    disagree with that. marcus mcneil was a brick wall and hardwick was one of the better centers in the league for a while. chargers o-line had been good until those two started falling apart
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  2. 10-14-2014 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    disagree with that. marcus mcneil was a brick wall and hardwick was one of the better centers in the league for a while. chargers o-line had been good until those two started falling apart
    PFF rankings for the Chargers' O-line since 2009: 21, 15, 26, 28, 18

    Only once have they even been top 15 in the league in that timespan, and that was just barely....
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  3. 10-14-2014 #28
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    We also heavily relied on scrubs like Clarey, Gaither the quitter, Michael Harris, etc...
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  4. 10-14-2014 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
    PFF rankings for the Chargers' O-line since 2009: 21, 15, 26, 28, 18

    Only once have they even been top 15 in the league in that timespan, and that was just barely....
    and how was the line in 06, 07, 08... his first 3 years as a starter while they were crushing opponents on the ground... and yeah McNeil went down in 2011 which is when their line declined, starting with that scrub dumbrowski. iirc gaither actually filled in well but then got lazy as after getting a contract
    Quote Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
    We also heavily relied on scrubs like Clarey, Gaither the quitter, Michael Harris, etc...
    yeah this is all really recent. i remember harris was the opening day starter against us in 2012, the game where we werent even able to get a long snap off
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    Rodgers has a terrible team at 4-2, he's MVP IMO..
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    As of right now it's DeMarco Murray, he is doing things only Jim Brown had done.
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    If Murray breaks Jim Brown's record next week, does he suddenly deserve a mention?
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  10. 10-14-2014 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    and how was the line in 06, 07, 08... his first 3 years as a starter while they were crushing opponents on the ground... and yeah McNeil went down in 2011 which is when their line declined, starting with that scrub dumbrowski. iirc gaither actually filled in well but then got lazy as after getting a contract
    PFF only started ranking O-lines in 2009, tbh... I do agree that the O-line was good his first 3 years, but I only said most of his career, and 6 years of a ty O-line trumps 3 years of a good one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
    If Murray breaks Jim Brown's record next week, does he suddenly deserve a mention?
    What do you mean suddenly?
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    Don't see how Cam isn't a mention. He's been beastly this tear. Where is Carolina without cam? 1-5
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    without Cam they're 1-0
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    without Cam they're 1-0
    Against whom? Who did we beat and did you watch the game or stat ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Against whom? Who did we beat and did you watch the game or stat ?
    I watched that game....
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Against whom? Who did we beat and did you watch the game or stat ?
    i don't know how a viewer can state . that's usually an action players take.

    you asked what the panthers would be without Cam and I merely told you what the Panthers have been without Cam. not sure why you're upset
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Don't see how Cam isn't a mention. He's been beastly this tear. Where is Carolina without cam? 1-5


    5-1 at worst with Based Anderson instead of ...
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  18. 10-14-2014 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Don't see how Cam isn't a mention. He's been beastly this tear. Where is Carolina without cam? 1-5
    The top 6 are obvious and Cam isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aztecfan03
    What do you mean suddenly?
    Because "running backs don't deserve to be MVP".
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    They don't. AP barely won it for rushing for 2100 yds and carrying a lifeless supporting cast to the playoffs. I'm not going to give consideration to a player who plays behind an amazing O-line, Top 10 QB, Top 5 WR, and a Top 10 TE. I especially won't give it now that he's about due for another injury any week now.

    Watt, Luck, Rivers, and Rodgers's teams might not have 3 wins AMONG them w/o those guys.
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  23. 10-22-2014 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by spurraider21
    1. Richard Sherman
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    I'd put Kam before Doug.
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