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Gay thread le, tbh Lefty. This is PM material.
An article for you TBH
http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/739/
Gay thread le, tbh Lefty. This is PM material.
Zeke is not a top 15 player of all time. The one guy who hasn't gotten his due is Joe Dumars. For some reason he never got caught in the Bad Boys Pistons image. No wonder Detroit chose him over Isiah for front office.
BTW Dumars had an incredible 89 finals series against the Lakers. A very underated SG tbh.
Jordan was protected by the media, no doubt. The Bad Boys Pistons were vilified for being the biggest Jordan beaters, and has been underrated ever since.
That said, Isiah isn't a top 15 player, that Pistons team was loaded with talent, and revolutionized the defense of the NBA. Every single one of those Pistons were above average in everything at their positions, and subs can come into the game without missing a whole lot. They have some great talent in Thomas, Dumars, Laimbeer, pre-crazy Rodman, Microwave, Spider, Mahorn, and one of the greatest coaches of all time in Daly.
The repeat Pistons were one of those teams that deserved to be mentioned as one of the best of all time, but is instead being known as the weak team that bridged the Celtics/Lakers era to the Bulls era.
Isiah not top 15?
Find me another player who scored 25 pts in one quarter of the NBA Finals on 1 leg
No?
Can't think of one ?
thats a really weird qualifier to set
But tbh, who won les without talent around him?
Sleepy Floyd set a record with points in a playoff quarter, but I am never going to put him anywhere near any top 15 lists.
Thomas won with great talent and coaching around him, I honestly can't see another player who could really replace him to two championships because his skill set was unique, but that could be said of all top 15 players.
Players I would rank above him, in no particular order (purely in terms of impact to the game, so don't go into the weak compe ion in the old days crap):
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Wilt
Duncan
Moses Malone
Shaq
Lebron
Dr. J (including ABA days)
Big O
Russell
Jerry West
Hakeem
Damn it, I think he may really be a top 15 player. But I will still put him in the same tier as:
Dirk
Robinson
Kobe
Garnett
Barkley
Joe D was one of my fave players of all times.I agree but I have never heard them being called a weak team by anyone. They have do entaries on them and I read about them in magazines and so on as a kid, they were and still are WELL known and respected for that era. They deserve more credit though.
Dr J above Isiah
Dr J is nothing more than a glorified monkeyballer
Russell is just a glorified Ben Wallace
Shaq? please; sure he carried Kirby, but without his natural strength he was nothing, as we saw whe age caught up to him , he was just a useless slob
And was it on 1 leg? Was it, was it ????
Isiah never dropped 25 in a quarter on two good ankles, so I guess he was better hurt
Dr J is nothing more than a glorified monkeyballer
Russell is just a glorified Ben Wallace
Shaq? please; sure he carried Kirby, but without his natural strength he was nothing, as we saw whe age caught up to him , he was just a useless slob
And was it on 1 leg? Was it, was it ????
And dr J was phenomenal in the aba days. He changed the complexion of the league.
Russell transformed the style of basketball with his defense and outlet passes.
Shaq at his peak was the best of all time good. As good as Jordan Kareem or Lebron at their respective peaks.
yes and without his height i'm sure Duncan wouldn't be as good.
never understood these arguments. all that matters is how good he was. how effective, productive. i dont care how he did it... but he did it
Shaq and MVPau
But tbh, who won les without talent around him?
So you are saying Shaq was fundamentally sound like Duncan
Damn
where did i say that?
well you are saying timmy wouldnt be as good without his height
He would still have great fundamuntals
whereas shaq without his superhuman strength .... yeah he would be pretty much ed
was i wrong to say Timmy wouldn't be as good without his height?
i just think its pointless to talk about what a player would have been like without physical attributes. bottom line is they have them. its irrelevant how "skilled" they were. i'm sure brook lopez has a more refined post game than Shaq did. does it matter? no
Brooke Lopez > Shaq
Abd yes, Joe D's contribution is still underrated to this day
One of my favorite players of all time
Isiah + Joe = best backcourt ever
lefty who do you think has better post skills. shaq or scola?
Yinka Dare
Isiah Thomas would be flipping burgers without his blazing speed. See how pointless an argument it is to take away physical attributes.
Sure because all he did was running non stop
how good would he have been in the NBA if he had your footspeed?
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