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    According to the Times, the reports were embarrassing for the Pentagon because, in five of the six incidents in which troops were wounded by chemical agents, the munitions appeared to have been "designed in the US, manufactured in Europe and filled in chemical agent production lines built in Iraq by Western companies".

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    http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/16/...l-a-dumb-liar/






    This is what counts as “close collaboration” with “the West.” But, true to journalistic ethics, it’s not actually “false.” It’s completely true, for example, that 155-millimeter s s were “designed in the United States.”


    In the 1930s.


    That’s about one degree off from saying Saddam’s Scuds were “designed in the United States” because of Robert Goddard’s backyard rocket tests. The s s referenced in the Times report were not from the United States, as it turned out, but copies made in Italy and Spain. And they were filled with chemicals manufactured in “production lines” inside Iraq built by private firms from Europe (facts reported well over a decade ago). “Close cooperation,” indeed.

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    My question is this.

    Why is Obomba telling the Pentagon to tell us ISIS has WMD...

    The left says Iraq didn't have any, now they want us to believe they do...

    I see Obomba setting up the scenario to go in again!

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    That's fine, Darrin. But it obviates the larger point: We (US/Europe) largely provide them with those weapons, then we used the excuse that he had them to invade.

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    My question is this.

    Why is Obomba telling the Pentagon to tell us ISIS has WMD...

    The left says Iraq didn't have any, now they want us to believe they do...

    I see Obomba setting up the scenario to go in again!
    Wild Booger's coming in several notches below Fox Repug Propaganda network, imagining lots of dots and then connecting them ALL to left, Obama, Dems.

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    My question is this.

    Why is Obomba telling the Pentagon to tell us ISIS has WMD...

    The left says Iraq didn't have any, now they want us to believe they do...

    I see Obomba setting up the scenario to go in again!
    I see your being an idiot again.

    Everything you say is complete partisan bull .

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    That's fine, Darrin. But it obviates the larger point: We (US/Europe) largely provide them with those weapons, then we used the excuse that he had them to invade.

    to be fair, i don't think the suppliers intended for him to use against his own people but probably Iran (which he did).

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    to be fair, i don't think the suppliers intended for him to use against his own people but probably Iran (which he did).
    I'm pretty sure they knew who they were giving it to. Doubt there were many strings attached, tbh...

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    INVESTIGATION

    Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

    The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.


    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...he_gassed_iran

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    See boutons my home boy partner in crime backing up my statements, par per

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    Imagine the massive intelligence/diplomatic cluster whenever they did discover WMDs and found out they were Western in origin. Embarrassing enough to not be talked about, I'd reckon.

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    You'd think daddy bush would throw W a bone on that one.

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    I see your being an idiot again.

    Everything you say is complete partisan bull .
    Are you saying my hatred towards Obomba is showing?

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    Are you saying my hatred towards Obomba is showing?
    I'm saying everything you say is complete partisan bull .

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    INVESTIGATION

    Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

    The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.


    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...he_gassed_iran
    Saddam's warring with Iran was St Ronnie's proxy avenging the Tehran Embassy takeover, which St Ronnie operatives PROMISED to Iran that St Ronnie wouldn't do if the Iranians would only hold the hostages until 20 Jan 1981 to keep Carter from getting an election boost if the hostages were released before the Nov 1980 election.

    Such filthy dirty Repug tricks echo Repug criminal Tricky Nixon secretly scuttling the VN Paris peace talks late in the 1968 campaign.
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    Such is life in ST Politics section

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    Even if they lucked out and one of their lies happened to be true we haven't been in the middle east for 13 years now for a few stockpiles of "expired or degraded weapons."

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    When the bull imminent threat story-line didn't pan out for the wing-nuts they moved the goal-post to Saddam's association to terra-ist...al-Queda...when that story didn't pan out either they changed the goal-post again to 'finding Saddam's stock-pile of weapons of mass destruction"....fact is, everything was so wrong, so negligent, that Bush's history will be that he was an international war criminal who illegally invaded a sovereign country...

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    Even if they lucked out and one of their lies happened to be true we haven't been in the middle east for 13 years now for a few stockpiles of "expired or degraded weapons."
    worse, injured US troops were denied proper medical care after exposure to spare the USG embarrassment:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l-weapons.html

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    NYTimes', NOT Fox', slapping the govt achieves some military transparency

    More Than 600 Reported Chemical Exposure in Iraq, Pentagon Acknowledges


    More than 600 American service members since 2003 have reported to military medical staff members that they believe they were exposed to chemical warfare agents in Iraq, but the Pentagon failed to recognize the scope of the reported cases or offer adequate tracking and treatment to those who may have been injured, defense officials say.

    The Pentagon’s disclosure abruptly changed the scale and potential costs of the United States’ encounters with abandoned chemical weapons during the occupation of Iraq, episodes the military had for more than a decade kept from view.

    This previously untold chapter of the occupation became public after an investigation by The New York Times revealed last month that although troops did not find an active weapons of mass destruction program, they did encounter degraded chemical weapons from the 1980s that had been hidden in caches or used in makeshift bombs.


    The Times initially disclosed 17 cases of American service members who were injured by sarin or a sulfur mus agent. And since the report was published last month, more service members have come forward, pushing the number who were exposed to chemical agents to more than 25. But an internal review of Pentagon records ordered by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has now uncovered that hundreds of troops told the military they believe they were exposed, officials said.


    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/07...dges.html?_r=0

    So do we believe the military bull that safety of the troops is the commanders' overriding priority?

    Gulf War Syndrome II, anybody?

    USA leaving Iraq MUCH WORSE than before dubya/ head invaded for BigOil.

    and USA itself is worse off.

    Thanks, Repugs! We all look forward to your upcoming EXCELLENT GOVERNANCE and ASTOUNDING COMPETENCE





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