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    the Evolution debate ended years ago your side lost huge with the DNA code
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    the electric universe
    Two apes ing

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    Yes I will laugh at the misguided Igmos of the www so debunk my ass. Show the www the "Big Bang" is real. Post the evidence already.

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    You don't think apes ?

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    You don't think apes ?
    Not until I saw you posting online, now I am a believer.

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    But we evolved from fish millions of years ago

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    Not until I saw you posting online, now I am a believer.
    So how do you think apes reproduce?

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    The sad part is many of you low IQ posters that support Darwin think if you jump off the Big Bang bull wagon you automatically support "creation"

    Not true. the facts show you don't!

    You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better tasting.

    There is a 3rd option..

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    The sad part is many of you low IQ posters think if you jump off the Big Bang bull you support "creation" the truth is you don't!

    You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better.

    There is a 3rd option..
    absolutely... the magic alien unicorn carrying a seed to earth...

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    The sad part is many of you low IQ posters think if you jump off the Big Bang bull you support "creation" the truth is you don't!

    You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better.

    There is a 3rd option..
    Yes, The Cult of YouTube.

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    [redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

    Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

    If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

    ... Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments. Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.



    The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

    All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.
    So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

    Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

    http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm
    Thank you.

    The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.

    Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!
    This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.



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    To answer your question:
    Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

    Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


    Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?


    Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?
    Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


    [many non-answers]

    Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

    You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

    I will ask for a third time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    [restates previously addressed concepts and questions]


    Again, not really an answer.

    For a forth time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    [semi-coherent response to other post]
    Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

    It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

    For a fifth time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 10-23-2014 at 12:32 PM.

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    Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

    When you can....prove....anything, that's different.

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    Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

    When you can....prove....anything, that's different.
    lol you can't even understand what is being discussed

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    The sad part is many of you low IQ posters that support Darwin think if you jump off the Big Bang bull wagon you automatically support "creation"

    Not true. the facts show you don't!

    You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better tasting.

    There is a 3rd option..
    In your own words what is alternative design and how is it different than intelligent design

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    So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

    Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?

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    So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

    Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?
    Supers ion.

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    So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

    Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?
    where is your link that says most people don't buy evolution?

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    So if the next poll is over 50%, that will make your belief automatically wrong.

    OK, I can wait for that inescapable wrongness to envelop you.

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    here's a more recent one with some interesting tidbits

    Religiousness relates most strongly to these views, which is not surprising, given that this question deals directly with God's role in human origins. The percentage of Americans who accept the creationist viewpoint ranges from 69% among those who attend religious services weekly to 23% among those who seldom or never attend.


    • Educational attainment is also related to these at udes, with belief in the creationist perspective dropping from 57% among Americans with no more than a high school education to less than half that (27%) among those with a college degree. Those with college degrees are, accordingly, much more likely to choose one of the two evolutionary explanations.
    • Younger Americans -- who are typically less religious than their elders -- are less likely to choose the creationist perspective than are older Americans. Americans aged 65 and older -- the most religious of any age group -- are most likely to choose the creationist perspective.

    Sixty-four percent of those who are very familiar with the theory of evolution choose one of the two evolutionary explanations for the origin of humans, compared with 28% among the smaller group of Americans who report being not too or not at all familiar with it. The majority of those not familiar with evolution choose the creationist viewpoint



    so plenty of people have a belief in a god AND evolution. overall, 58% of Americans believe there is evolution, regardless of god. 42% believe in full blown creation. and in general, people like yourself who dont have an understanding of evolution tend to be creationist, while those who actually are read up on the theory of evolution tend to support it. no surprises there

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/be...n-origins.aspx

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    Numbers don't lie. Avante's belief is wrong.

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    [redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

    Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

    If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

    ... Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments. Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.



    The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

    All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.
    So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

    Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

    http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm
    Thank you.

    The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.

    Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!
    This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.



    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    To answer your question:
    Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

    Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


    Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?


    Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?
    Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


    [many non-answers]

    Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

    You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

    I will ask for a third time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    [restates previously addressed concepts and questions]


    Again, not really an answer.

    For a forth time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    [semi-coherent response to other post]
    Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

    It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

    For a fifth time:

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?
    Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

    When you can....prove....anything, that's different.
    Such a simple question. You posted the link. I just wanted to know what you thought of it.

    The only other guy who has a problem answering simple questions is the poor insane guy who thinks the moon landings were faked in a studio.

    Maybe if I ask a sixth time.

    Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?

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    Yes, The Cult of YouTube.

    Blue Oyster was another cult............. whats your point?


    when are you going to just Debunk my research so we can move on?

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    where is your link that says most people don't buy evolution?
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7

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    Blue Oyster was another cult............. whats your point?


    when are you going to just Debunk my research so we can move on?
    You have posted no research.

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