Woj: Kawhi Wants Max Contract Extension; No Progress Made in Talks With Spurs

[BatManu20]

Lakers fans on Twitter claiming Westbrook and Kawhi will both be Lakers next year after KD bolts for DC. Then they'll sign Klay Thompson too

[moisaenz]

Lakers fans on Twitter claiming Westbrook and Kawhi will both be Lakers next year after KD bolts for DC.

Like if Kawhi would play with westbrook, if he complains he does not get the ball from parker, imagine him complaining about westbrook.

[look_at_g_shred]

Like if Kawhi would play with westbrook, if he complains he does not get the ball from parker, imagine him complaining about westbrook.

Lol

[look_at_g_shred]

This is as much drama you'll hear about the spurs

[look_at_g_shred]

They'll come to an agreement by the 31st . No way the spurs want attention from the media with questions regarding Leonard's future with the team all season long.

[Chinook]

Has Chinook weighed in yet?

First time touching Spurstalk (on a computer) in like four days. Been really busy.

As strange as this may sound, I've been a huge fan of maxing out Kawhi for a long time. The only issue is that it doesn't make financial sense for the Spurs to do it now, for all the reasons we've been discussing over the past year or so. I am concerned about the potential of Kawhi throwing a hissy fit for not getting an extension. If he pulls a Parsons to spite the Spurs, I will be pretty annoyed with him. Kawhi is not a franchise player; the Spurs have to be able to bring in more players to even make the post-season.

Extending Kawhi pretty much kills 2015 cap space. There'd still be enough to sign an O'Quinn, so it wouldn't be all that bad from my perspective. But if Tim and Manu retire next season and Kawhi forces the Spurs to give him the max, I definitely think the window is completely shut until at least 2017. That would be a huge shame if it happened simply because Kawhi didn't trust the Spurs to give him a max deal next summer.

[SupremeGuy]

We should just give him the max this year and get this out of the way, tbh. We're going to have to end up doing it next summer either way. I mean, yeah keep pushing him to take less than the max up until the deadline, but if he doesn't bend then we might as well agree to it. Tim and Manu are on the way out very soon, and Tony isn't getting any younger either. Keeping Kawhi and Green on the team together is important to our future.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi's obviously not Duncan, but I think he's right there with what Ginobili and Parker were in their early to mid 20s. He's a really strong two way player who can shoot the jumper, go to the post, and finish in transition. I think that translates more to maybe a $13-$14 million a season player instead of an $18 million a season guy, but I could swallow the max extension knowing there is about to be a huge inflation in player contracts from the new TV deal.

I agree and I bet so do the Spurs. He's probably a 12M guy. The reason I said he's not comparable with Tim (obvious) or even TP/Manu is role on the team and ball handling. I have a difficult time outside of a big man like Tim, Shaq ect...paying max to a guys who's not clear with an expanded role can be a centerpiece on a playoff team & thst can't handle the rock like a guard.

[Brazil]

We should just give him the max this year and get this out of the way, tbh. We're going to have to end up doing it next summer either way. I mean, yeah keep pushing him to take less than the max up until the deadline, but if he doesn't bend then we might as well agree to it. Tim and Manu are on the way out very soon, and Tony isn't getting any younger either. Keeping Kawhi and Green on the team together is important to our future.

I don't disgree with that tbh

thing is whatever Kawhi is signing could a factor also on Green expectations plus management of future cap space so its quite normal Spurs FO is thinking a bit.


also people (not directed to you Supreme) should not compare with what Manu or Tony got. Using Manu or TP never got $M 18 in their prime is not a good argument as market is totally different now without even starting considering inflation impact.


I do hope Spurs and Kawhi find a deal soon to avoid any kind of unresolved topics during the season, after the comments about getting more touches and such, a frustrated Kawhi and/or Spurs FO would be annoying.

[wildchild]

So that wasn't Timmy who posted on here that one time?

Maybe not

I don't want to disappoint you about Tim posting here, the FO/Kawhi reading ST, and other things, but Christmas is coming and maybe you should know that Santa...isn't real.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Has Chinook weighed in yet?

Max for Green!

[Sean Cagney]

Lakers fans on Twitter claiming Westbrook and Kawhi will both be Lakers next year after KD bolts for DC. Then they'll sign Klay Thompson too

We hear the same thing every year from those jackasses when someone becomes a FA. They don't have the money and nobody seems to want to go there, when will they get it?

[Chomag]

Lakers fans on Twitter getting excited about the Lakers possibly luring him to LA

Not far fetched honestly. If KL doesn't get more minutes and implemented more in the offence he just might walk.

[Chomag]

Can't just sit back and wait until next year. There will be many teams giving him the 4 year max. Spurs only chance to sign him for less is 6 days.

Agreed he will be allot more expensive if they wait to long

[Dex]

Well, this thread should go 50 pages by Friday.

[wildchild]

The real, hard number is that he's never played over 66 games in a regular season.

But he played 64 of all the 66 games in his rookie 2011 season (lockout)

[apalisoc_9]

But he played 64 of all the 66 games in his rookie 2011 season (lockout)

nono

[urunobili]

First time touching Spurstalk (on a computer) in like four days. Been really busy.

As strange as this may sound, I've been a huge fan of maxing out Kawhi for a long time. The only issue is that it doesn't make financial sense for the Spurs to do it now, for all the reasons we've been discussing over the past year or so. I am concerned about the potential of Kawhi throwing a hissy fit for not getting an extension. If he pulls a Parsons to spite the Spurs, I will be pretty annoyed with him. Kawhi is not a franchise player; the Spurs have to be able to bring in more players to even make the post-season.

Extending Kawhi pretty much kills 2015 cap space. There'd still be enough to sign an O'Quinn, so it wouldn't be all that bad from my perspective. But if Tim and Manu retire next season and Kawhi forces the Spurs to give him the max, I definitely think the window is completely shut until at least 2017. That would be a huge shame if it happened simply because Kawhi didn't trust the Spurs to give him a max deal next summer.

I think alike this. Awesome take

[ElNono]

But he played 64 of all the 66 games in his rookie 2011 season (lockout)

IIRC, he had a calf strain that season that made him sit out the Rising Stars Challenge...

[ElNono]

nono

I like Kawhi, I would want the Spurs to extend him regardless of any injury concerns... not my money, tbh

[lurker23]

Kawhi will get the max for at least 4 years. Everyone knows this, including the Spurs. As has been mentioned before, this is all about the first year of that max contract vs. the significantly lower cap hold that Kawhi would have next summer as a RFA. Spurs need to plan for a post Duncan and Manu era, and this slight risk is part of that.

In truth, the only risk is the personal relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi souring. If Kawhi remains happy with the Spurs, he'll agree to the max contract the Spurs offer him at the beginning of next offseason, he'll sign it whenever it's beneficial cap-wise to the Spurs, and neither side has to deal with any real aspect of restricted free agency.

[BatManu20]

[timtonymanu]

Well, this thread should go 50 pages by Friday.

Not with the season starting tomorrow but it should go at least 15.

[BillMc]

Pardon me being late to the discussion, but isn't there a financial reason to wait on Leonard, in case Manu and Timmy decide to keep going? I thought someone made the case that it would be better re-sign TD and Manu first, and then extend Kawhi rather than the other way around. If so, I don't want anything to impede Timmy and Manu coming back if they wish to, even as much as I like Leonard. In this later case, Kawhi would just have to wait.

[Baam]

I foresaw that it would be a problem for Buford to significantly more money to Kawhi than to TP, it'd be just very hard to justify.