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You guys are missing the point on the flu. The point about the flu it kills more because it is easier to catch. Point is, your not gonna catch Ebola from someone riding their bike who has tested negative and doesn't have symptoms.
Skull summed that up, pretty much. Catching the flu will not kill the average person. Ebola is more than likely to kill you unless you receive the absolute best treatment from early on. If you are poor, and receive no treatment, death rates are as high as 90%. Even people getting some level of treatment in Africa die at a 50-70% clip. With large numbers, expect quality of treatment to decrease, not increase. The people around and treating flu victims are n little danger of death, even if they haven't gotten the vaccine. If they have, their probability of death due to working on the patient drops to near zero.
Hearing you have Ebola is tantamount to hearing you have cancer. It's as close to a death sentence as you can come with an infectious disease.
There is also a flu vaccine. There is no Ebola vaccine. I would think you would realize that makes a big difference.
I never worry about getting the flu. I am a relatively healthy, not yet elderly male in a first world country. But, if I were worried I would drop by a Walgreens and for $40, relieve myself of that worry.
Most people knowingly or unknowingly makes these financial risk vs reward calculations. The herd has voted, and we're not all that worried about the flu. I'll give you three guesses as to what people's decision will be with regard to quarantining victims or you isolating yourself voluntarily like a hermit, if Ebola runs through our nation like the flu. Heck, I'll bet you don't even need three guesses.
As a contrast to Ebola 50-90% death rate, mortality rate from influenza was .0002 or about 2/100's of a percent using their highest rate for children to extrapolate to the global population (adults get it less). So that number should be even lower, which surprised me. I thought the flu was more deadly than that, but suffice it to say, even if I did my numbers wrong, the flu is relatively benign.
You guys are missing the point on the flu. The point about the flu it kills more because it is easier to catch. Point is, your not gonna catch Ebola from someone riding their bike who has tested negative and doesn't have symptoms.
LOL! So true!
The Voice of Reason! Great Post!
This isn't about whether a brave man like you would be willing to ride your bicycle next to her. It's whether a family of 4 wants to ride in a plane with her. It's not whether anyone caught Ebola from his puke. That's relatively easy to clean up in a confined space. Bleach, UV light, etc. You so easily dismiss that two people that were doing everything they thought they knew to be correct DID catch it from him. That puke was very dangerous puke. I am glad no one got infected from it. However, again, that's different than saying it wasn't contagious.
The nurse riding her bike was just her testing the limits of the authorities' resolve. Riding her bike is no big deal. That was just her showing defiance, but it didn't break the spirit of the quarantine. If she went to work volunteer at the homeless Thanksgiving Dinner Banquet, they would have been all over her like white on rice.
To prove a point, I would be willing to ride next to her, depending upon how close "next to" is. You've got beneficial air-flow. If I rode too close and she sneezed on me, though, I would put myself in voluntary isolation and kick myself for being so stupid to prove a point. I would wait my 21 days because it is the prudent thing to do, not because I am afraid. For that reason, I don't want dummies that won't put themselves in isolation to be allowed to ride next to her. Dummies will propagate the problem. Again, the virus doesn't care how brave you are. It does hope you're stupid, though, and hope you cling to "weighing her concerns for civil liberties" while it spreads. You have to get in front of it, not pause for argument while it marches forward.
“Getting ahead" of it is one thing, violating rights and freedoms is a totally different issue.
Lmao she he doesn't have a right to harm others who haven't tried to harm her first. Duh.
And it isnt spreading here. Again with all the screw ups at that Dallas hospital it hasn't spread. Plain and simple. If she were symptomatic and Ebola positive, absolutely quarantine her. But if not, what scientific medical reasons do you have to quarantine her?
it kills more because more people get it. More are exposed to it.
Very very few are exposed to Ebola. Those who get it die without massive treatment costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some die even with that.
Nobody knows own a thing about Ebola. Even your vaunted CDC comes out with revised protocols on a daily basis. We don't have enough data on Ebola to know how it is transmitted with any real certainty.
it is dangerous, contagious, and can mutate. It must be stopped at its source before it gets out of control.
Humans are full of hubris. When that hubris is left unchallenged we get things like Africanized Bees and democrats.
Again, if she isn't positive and doesn't have symptoms how is she harming anyone? Show me the proof?
I don't either, but these idiots won't leave me alone to live my life in freedom so politics it becomes, sadly...
Who are you voting for in November, son? Ramon "Chupe" Salazar or Andres " o" Alvarez?
I always get a laugh when I see the signs down the valley.
lol fear mongering
Not about politics for me. Its about science and common sense.
Humans are full of hubris. When that hubris is left unchallenged we get things like Africanized Bees and democrats.
You mean the kind of hubris that causes people to completely ignore the recommendations of the scientific community in favor of a few politicians and ratings-driven news outlets?
Ding ding!
It means what it says, dbag.
You need to grow a brain and learn reality. You talk about other POVs yet you can only throw out the standard Fox News joke. I don't bother with Fox. I read my news.
It is telling that you marinate yourself in leftist outlets but tell others to read/watch different sources.
I have listened and studied the "other side" for four decades. I have to keep tabs on my enemy after all. That said another four decades won't change the fact they're wrong. Logic requires it. Obama and his inep ude proves it. Reality is a stubborn thing, but that won't stop the Utopians from trying. Only bullets will ever do that.
It is easier to catch, and even when you do catch it, it's a minor inconvenience to most people even when untreated. I don't miss the point. Ebola is harder to catch than the flu, but easier than is made out to be. It has not killed a lot of people because it has been held to the confines of very remote regions. It still has an R value very close to influenza, actually:
http://m.bbc.com/news/health-29573993
Meaning it is almost as likely to infect as influenza 1-2 vs 2-3. Not a big difference, so close as to overlap in range by those numbers. So, you pretending that it's almost impossible to catch cuz some guy puked on the floor and no one got sick, or that his family that was with him earlier on in his disease when he was less contagious didn't get sick, is some sort of anecdotal evidence that this thing can't run though large populations with staggering numbers is naive, at best, and is refuted by whAt is ACTUALLY HAPPENING in Africa.
http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions...mpaignId=3JR8L
the very people you say to trust, WHO, for example, is projecting as high as 10k per week in west Africa. That's not me being alarmist. I'm quoting them. Those Africans sure aren't having a hard time catching it. But, your one anecdotal case. It's hard to catch, even those people in protective gear caught it.
lol enemyIt means what it says, dbag.
You need to grow a brain and learn reality. You talk about other POVs yet you can only throw out the standard Fox News joke. I don't bother with Fox. I read my news.
It is telling that you marinate yourself in leftist outlets but tell others to read/watch different sources.
I have listened and studied the "other side" for four decades. I have to keep tabs on my enemy after all. That said another four decades won't change the fact they're wrong. Logic requires it. Obama and his inep ude proves it. Reality is a stubborn thing, but that won't stop the Utopians from trying. Only bullets will ever do that.
Nice screed. Is your ebola bunker fully stocked?
Stupidest post ever.
"I sat courtside at a Spurs game once. I therefore know everything about basketball."
You should probably read up on why it spreads so much in Africa.
Hint: they aren't getting it from riding bikes.
It is anecdotal, but the scientific evidence also tells me it is impossible to catch it of someone is not positive and doesn't have symptoms. She doesn't. If she did, I would say quarantine her.
We will not know until the incubation period is over. She was in the hot zone in direct contact with Ebola patients. Doctors and nurses taking full precautions have been infected. That's all the proof that is needed.
They need to tell that b---h to stfu and wait until her incubation period is over. Otherwise she will be arrested. By the time a judge lets her out of the gray bar hotel we will know if she is infected or not. Done.
Pretty authoritarian of you.
They don't know when the infectious period begins. It is speculation right. Ow. Also, some symptoms are too subtle to see. We are playing with fire. My right to live trumps her right to be a disease carrying snob.
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