They say a lot of thing But, I don't care. Green is a product of the system. He wouldn't be nearly effective on any of the other 29 teams.
Posters thinking Neal and Mills were going to get paid.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 11-03-2014 at 12:11 AM.
He is good, very good.
But most of the dream team guys are playing well. They have played compe ive ball for a decent chunk of the summer. Harden, Klay Boogie are all off to hot starts. It's an advantage early but the worry is they will break down late ...
"Where's your chicken suit" - Coach Pop
Green is in his prime. What you see is what you get. GS saw Thompson as a player who hasn't reached his full potential. He's just a year older than Leonard. That contract was based on current production and future potential. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes psychic internet clowns have your future mapped out for you well before you've reached your prime.... who's being daft now?
I'm not comparing contracts here but, you can't say straight faced, two games into his new contract that it's bad because you don't know how the remainder of his contract will play out.
It's only two games into the season but, his defensive rating has been pretty solid thus far and it's improved every year since his rookie year.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 11-03-2014 at 12:22 AM.
lol $17 million
Seriously? Klay played great defense on Kobe last night and hit numerous jumpers in his face. He dropped 41 on Kobe and somehow you're here saying Klay was the one who got torched?If Kobe didn't make some ridiculous shots in the 3rd he would've had a miserable shooting night. He scored 28 points on 28 shots. I guess that is "torching" to GNSF. *shrugs*
Not saying Thompson has reached his full potential. I also never said his contract is bad, I said I will wait until the playoffs for him to prove he is worthy of his contract. He can average 30/5/5 for the regular season but if he goes 14/3/3 and disappears in big moments in the playoffs, he isn't worth it. That's obvious.
Also, I'm the psychic internet clown yet you have just pigeonholed Green to being in his prime and that what we are seeing is all he will ever be. You are also saying that Thompson hasn't reached his full potential, you don't know that. NBA history is littered with players failing to improve.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. Carry on
max contract tho
Tbh, I think for almost any fanbase that'd be worth it. A good majority of NBA teams aren't even going to sniff a le, I'd rather at least enjoy the regular season than nothing at all. Pretty soon the Spurs are gonna be something like that with the Enrique/Kiwi led teams.Not saying Thompson has reached his full potential. I also never said his contract is bad, I said I will wait until the playoffs for him to prove he is worthy of his contract. He can average 30/5/5 for the regular season but if he goes 14/3/3 and disappears in big moments in the playoffs, he isn't worth it. That's obvious.
Also, I'm the psychic internet clown yet you have just pigeonholed Green to being in his prime and that what we are seeing is all he will ever be. You are also saying that Thompson hasn't reached his full potential, you don't know that. NBA history is littered with players failing to improve.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. Carry on
Thompson's standout attribute, other than his 3-point shooting, is his 2-way ability..he doesn't give you any passing, nor does he rebound at a high level..Seriously? Klay played great defense on Kobe last night and hit numerous jumpers in his face. He dropped 41 on Kobe and somehow you're here saying Klay was the one who got torched?
However, his defense hasn't been effective in these past 2 games where he had great offensive nights..it's evident that he can't do both at the same time, which is fine, but it severely reduces his impact..
Kobe completely torched him, which negated a bunch of his 41 points against arguably the worst team in the NBA, tbh..
If Klay was on the Spurs, Spursfans all over this board would be talking about his potential down the road and how savvy he is.
$17m is overpaid now, but not in 2 years when the new contract kicks in. I doubt they would be able to afford Iggy even if they signed Klay for 4 years $55m.
Yeah, fair enough. I meant in terms of winning the championship. Also, probably a little extreme, Klay is never going to average 30/5/5, perhaps 23/4/3 is the upper echelon stats wise on what he could produce. For $17M, you would want more impact than what Klay Thompson has given in the playoffs. I don't really see how that is debatable, tbh.
I don't mind him as a player and if he was a Spurs player, I would definitely be keen on his shooting and solid defense. Would I be keen on similar playoff performances to what he has given previously at the new $17M pricetag? Definitely not.
Not me. I always thought he was overrated... Iggy is overrated too, tbh
Honestly, it kind of bugs me when people see a 24 year old drop 41 points against an NBA team and think, "Man, he's overrated."
Yeah, if Klay doesn't improve drastically, the Warriors overpaid for him. But what happens if he becomes a much better player year after year? With his size and shooting a en he could easily be a 20/6/5 guy.
Fine... We can end this. However, and for the record, Green, at age 27, is in his prime. He could perhaps improve his consistency on defense and become a better finisher at the rim but, he's not going to suddenly morph into the athlete he is clearly not. He doesn't have the talent or athleticism Klay does. He's the true definition of a 3 & D player. He's not a rebounder, doesn't pass well, and can't put the ball on the floor. He is what he is. In time, you will see this.Not saying Thompson has reached his full potential. I also never said his contract is bad, I said I will wait until the playoffs for him to prove he is worthy of his contract. He can average 30/5/5 for the regular season but if he goes 14/3/3 and disappears in big moments in the playoffs, he isn't worth it. That's obvious.
Also, I'm the psychic internet clown yet you have just pigeonholed Green to being in his prime and that what we are seeing is all he will ever be. You are also saying that Thompson hasn't reached his full potential, you don't know that. NBA history is littered with players failing to improve.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue this discussion with you. Carry on
As far as Klay is concerned, He's improved in each of his first three seasons so I have reason to believe he can continue to improve. So far in 2014, he has. I'm not handing out absolutes here but, there's a huge disparity in talent between the two that can't be ignored.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 11-03-2014 at 03:07 AM.
when did Klay ever drop 41 points against an NBA team?
Klay outplayed Kobe Bryant, and it's become obvious you didn't watch that game. In what world is 28 points on 28 shots, with a bunch of turnovers, and a -30 somehow an amazing performance? The Lakers bigs (Hill and Ed Davis) were the ones who hurt the Warriors in that game, Not Kobe. I understand you're trying to push another one of your narratives but I'm certain that if you watched that game you would see just how much Klay abused Kobe.
He did outplay Kobe. Scored more on less shots. but in the third Kobe did torch him and Klay gave right back. And I did not see anything Harlem said about an amazing performance, he said "torched". Which you right was meant as a point in Harlems' Klay's overrated defense he made earlier but was also a dig at Kobe ...how can this nicca's defense be good if he is getting torched by TOSB Kobe?
Come on Red you been here long enough to be able to read between the lines.
Also individual plus/minus is as useless as PER ... plus/minus by rotations are far more useful than individual plus/minus numbers.
And gets paid more and now is not even starting ...which i guess you can argue is a Manu type decision ...but that contract is worse imho ...
Who are we talking about again?
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400578330
Oh, right, I should have said, "WNBA team".
Seriously? Klay played great defense on Kobe last night and hit numerous jumpers in his face. He dropped 41 on Kobe and somehow you're here saying Klay was the one who got torched?
I was calling him overrated before he dropped 41 points... one game or two shouldn't change the perception of a player that's starting his 4th season in the league. I thought he was actually a pretty good offensive player, until he got completely shut down by sop re Kawhi in the playoffs. His defensive a en is highly overrated, he's an average defender at best.
Of course, there's always the chance he can get better and live up to the contract he signed. But right now, he's overrated, and he's been overrated for a couple of seasons now, IMO.
If I were to play devil's advocate for a second, one series or two shouldn't change the perception of a player that's starting his 4th season in the league. Are we to suggest Leonard is overrated? Sure he's a good defensive player but, his offensive game is way too inconsistent to justify a max contract. Of course, there's always the chance he can get better and live up to the contract he'll sign in the offseason, But right now, he's overrated, and he's been overrated for a couple of seasons now, IMO.
The term "overrated" gets thrown around too loosely in this forum to the point where it's pretty much lost all its meaning.
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