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if u want spacing why not replace magic for stockton?
Kobe over Jordan. Rofl.
if u want spacing why not replace magic for stockton?
My concern with Magic isn't really his shooting, it's the locker room issues and potential for disaster, tbh(HIV, aggressive sexuality, etc)..
Stockton-MJ backcourt is a no-brainer imo. you basically have to have MJ, and if you're going with 2 traditional bigs, i'll take Stockton's spacing/defense over Magic
on what is going to be a team full of greats, Bird is probably the best fit at the 3, though if i was building a realistic NBA team, i'd go LeBron at that spot.
you can play with the 4/5 basically however you want. Duncan/Dream would be great both ways, both are great rim protectors, rebounders, passers, can be great in the low post or can step out and knock down midrange shots.
Stock, MJ, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem
west and gervin over Kobe
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PG-Jeremy Rin
SG-Kirby Bean
SF-Swaggy P
PF-Carlos Boozer
C- Jordan Hill
Kobe is a better individual player. One on one he'd destroy either of the other players in his prime.
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That said, I wouldn't want him anywhere near a team with real leaders on it. He wouldn't be able to deal. I also wouldn't want that black hole on a team full of highly efficient scorers and guys who actually have played defense their entire careers, rather when they felt they had something to prove.
considering west and gervin to be defensive stalwarts
What exactly is so laughable about choosing West and Gervin over a role player and team cancer?
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Most people start these by sticking the best player of all time at each position and call it a team, ignoring skill makeup and chemistry. The problem is that a lot of these all time greats are scoring machines who require the ball to operate, it would be a classic case of too many cooks in the kitchen.
Then there are those who have Jordan penciled in, but the fact is the Jordan was a ball dominant off guard who is pretty much the only off guard in NBA history who dominated the league. He required a very unique type of team around him to win, and none of those involved dominant big men on offense because that would crowd the lane (1st 3 peat) or low blocks (2nd 3 peat) and negate Jordan's strengths.
For me, a shooting guard should be able to shoot to open up the paint for the bigs, can pass, and can defend some what.
My starting 5:
Magic - Greatest PG ever, can run half court and break equally well. Decent outside game (not the greatest by any stretch of imagination), can play the passing lanes (younger version), but not the best one on one defender. Stockton is my other pick. Great shooter, can pass in midcourt and open court, directs offense well, doesn't have to score, great and dirty defender.
Jerry West - Shooter, and that's all is needed. Jordan is obvious other choice, but I feel his presence will negate the strengths of the others.
Lebron - Best combination of skill set and defense. Would be great if his outside shot is better. Larry Bird is the obvious other choice here, but he is just too unathletic and I have concerns about his defense.
Duncan - Greatest PF of all time, one of the best team defenders of all time. Can score on the low blocks, can pass, set screens, and do whatever is necessary to win. Dirk is the other choice here, but his defense may be an issue. His outside game will open up the game a LOT though. I am tempted to put Dirk here instead.
Russell - No need for more scoring here, just some guy who will defend, outlet, run the court, and pass the ball. Hakeem is too ball dominant, Shaq takes up too much space, Kareem doesn't pass enough, and Wilt is all three. Robinson is the other choice here because of his versatility and speed. I am also tempted to put Ben Wallace here, but he is too much of a liability on offense. Mourning is too much of a ball stopper, and Mutombo is both. Bill Walton would be the best choice here, but he's just too fragile, if I can only pick a peak year, I will pick Trailblazer Walton here.
This team will pass, defend, can shoot, and have no or very little weakness.
West and Gervin never imploded teams or ran Hall of Famers out of town.
Havoc makes a solid point. Kobe is a beast 1 on 1, but he's clearly a cancer and little from the team standpoint.
If he is such a cancer, how did the Lakers during his time manage to win 5 championships, spread across completely different collections of players?West and Gervin never imploded teams or ran Hall of Famers out of town.
I agree he has some at ude issues, shot selection issues, and that if he had fixed those issues, they could have probably won more championships, but his issues aren't nearly as bad or as severe as you idiots suggest. If he was so implosive to a team, there is no way on earth that he is an integral part of 5 championship teams, including a repeat and a three-peat. And let's not act like those teams had massive loads of talent and simply won despite him. They all were built around a high-low star duo, with a bunch of balanced, although not necessarily supremely talented role players. Without him, all 5 teams have severe struggles and deficiencies.
If a player is relied upon as heavily as he was, to be able to win those 5 championships, there is no way he could be this utter and complete cancer you all claim him to be. You can get away with a role player being a cancer perhaps, but not a player as significant as him.
Basically this means 1 of 2 things. 1) He is not that big of a "cancer" or 2) He is so incredibly good that despite being a "cancer", he can be so dominant that it overrides his cancerous tendencies, thus making those aforementioned tendencies irrelevant. Pick your poison.
Wait wait wait, pick my poison, why when I can have guaranteed team players in Gervin and West? You've kinda moved the goalposts homie.
He had 2 of the 5 best big men in the NBA when both were in their primes. Shaq was unquestionably the most dominant center in the game since Hakeem and likely a top 5 center of all-time. Gasol was an all-NBA big with one of the highest BBIQs in the NBA. Both left LA after people blamed them for the Lakers' failings.
No one is saying that Kobe isn't a great player. He obviously is. But the day you land in LA is the day your clock starts ticking at the altar of Kobe. You say he won 5 les, I say he left several on the table, given the exorbitant cashflow the Lakers were s ing out to a team each year.
And this is all echoed by what happened to Dwight Howard. One of the game's best players? Don't expect Kobe to coexist for very long.
Give me your thoughts on a lineup with Bird at the 4
would get smashed by a team with a PF that can score.
I love that Kobe's a cancer...but he still was either the first or second option on 7 final team appearances winning 5 les. What a horrible cancer. Once again watch the games. Oh and to chime in on an all time team you'd have to look at what the roles and abilities of each said player. You can't just load up on the best offensive players in their respective roles.
Magic/Jason Kidd (Passing, post up and fast break skills)
MJ/Kobe (doesn't matter who had the better career, we're talking about role on the team. (Defense, outside shooting and penetration)
James Worthy/Lebron (Finisher, post up, intellect)
TD/Dirk (rebounding, intellect, clutch plays, outside shot)
Shaq (rim protector, post play and passing ability)
He was never the first or second option for any championship team.
How old are you?
Oh, so basically you are a moron. Glad you admit it.
And yet neither of them could win championships without Kobe, or in Shaq's case, Kobe/Wade/Refs.
Hmm... sounds more to me like the day you land in LA with Kobe, your chances of winning a le go up significantly, considering these two superstar, dominant bigs you speak about, didn't win jack without Kobe, then once paired with him, got to 3+ finals appearances each, winning consecutive championships during each run. I'm pretty sure that if you go and talk to these stars, despite Kobe perhaps being a difficult teammate at times, that they wouldn't trade the time they got to spend playing with him for anything because of the fact that he also helped them raise their own level of play and be able to compete at the highest level possible over an extended period of time, something most teams cannot do.
Some championships may have been left on the table, I don't argue with that, but without him, there is a very good chance that no championships are on the table at all.
So Dwight can shoulder absolutely no blame for how things went in LA? He didn't underperform? He didn't show an extreme level of mental weakness and immaturity?
Last edited by Phillip; 11-03-2014 at 03:33 PM.
Im a moron for calling you out on your false dichotomy and having a different opinion than you
No, not because of a different opinion. Nothing wrong with that. But having a complete and utter lack of reasoning to back up the opinion is what makes you a moron.Im a moron for having a different opinion than you
What part about kobe being a cancerous little did you not read?
LMAO spurs are more your thing tbh
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