Cavs: Is Lebron Past His Prime, tbh?

[Venti Quattro]

Even if I was fat, I could lose weight, but you'd still be an idiot.

[DMC]

this. no Biogenesis nearby with the papa john routes.

The cramps scared him. I think he dropped the hgh because of it, thus the decrease in body mass.

[RD2191]

Even if I was fat, I could lose weight, but you'd still be an idiot.

You know you're fat. And why are you melting down over Lebron? Aren't you a racist? Fat and stupid.

[RD2191]

And he carried those 2 to 2 rings. Jordan had Pippen. TD had manu and tp and Pop. You sound like a casual fan/bron hater with that kind of logic.

He didn't carry anyone. It was a team effort.

[DMC]

You know you're fat. And why are you melting down over Lebron? Aren't you a racist? Fat and stupid.

And we all know you're stupid, now.

trying to pretend your stupid take was a troll
two posts in and already playing the meltdown card

[Calispursfan11]

The elimination of PEDs, if he was in fact on them, is not going to help his game. That much is clear.

[RD2191]

If Ray Allen doesn't hit that 3 LeBron would have 1 ring playing with 2 stars by his side.

[RD2191]

And we all know you're stupid, now.

trying to pretend your stupid take was a troll
two posts in and already playing the meltdown card

Answer the question tubby.

[DMC]

If Ray Allen doesn't hit that 3 LeBron would have 1 ring playing with 2 stars by his side.

If Spain didn't rape your ancestors, you'd be speaking Portuguese.

[HI-FI]

The cramps scared him. I think he dropped the hgh because of it, thus the decrease in body mass.

true that. i think our co-Finals MVP, Ruud RA-14, exposed him somewhat. so now he's trying to adjust his game without the freakish mass.

[Calispursfan11]

If Ray Allen doesn't hit that 3 LeBron would have 1 ring playing with 2 stars by his side.

This is a fact.

[100%duncan]

He didn't carry anyone. It was a team effort.

Exactly. Basketball is team effort.

[cjw]

i like hayward, he's a good player, but the jazz aren't going anywhere with him as their franchise guy.

Agreed. He may actually be worthy of a max contract but needs a better guy around him (could have had Paul George a spot later, but Hayward is good value for the 9th pick). Burks is also improving ... Kawhi went a few spots later and there were some other solid guys in the neighborhood.

The Jazz may surprise some people with a win total in the high 30s if Favors and Kanter develop this year - surprised they're just 23 and 22. Not a bad haul for fat DWill. Hayward is the oldest guy in that core at 24. They would be even better now had they managed to get any draft picks for Al or Millsap before they walked in free agency.

Still, they have a lot of nice pieces, but no top 15 guy that it takes to win.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. He may actually be worthy of a max contract but needs a better guy around him (could have had Paul George a spot later, but Hayward is good value for the 9th pick). Burks is also improving ... Kawhi went a few spots later and there were some other solid guys in the neighborhood.

The Jazz may surprise some people with a win total in the high 30s if Favors and Kanter develop this year - surprised they're just 23 and 22. Not a bad haul for fat DWill. Hayward is the oldest guy in that core at 24. They would be even better now had they managed to get any draft picks for Al or Millsap before they walked in free agency.

Still, they have a lot of nice pieces, but no top 15 guy that it takes to win.

hayward could excel as a point-forward on a team that had a dynamic big like cousins, davis, griffin, prime pau, aldridge, dwight etc... and a ball dominant point guard like burke isn't doing him any favors either, no pun intended

[illusioNtEk]

Let's wait till he is ATLEAST in mid season form.... He is coasting it for now

[jimbo]

they had the big win streak during the 12-13 season too after the Andersen pickup. he was actually a great fit/spark for them that year.

still, the hapless bulls actually dragged em to 6, the pacers took them to 7, and it took 6 to win the finals. not a dominant run like we saw in '12

That streak + the championship was more impressive than just the '12 championship run imo. No one tries to break regular season records anymore. All of the good teams are too scared to even try it. It says a lot about their confidence/chemistry that they'd actually do it and even more about their talent that they could pull it off while coasting half of each game.

Against the Bulls and Pacers I never felt like they were ever going to lose. It's kinda like the Mavs pushing the Spurs to 7 last year. It just happens sometimes, especially when teams wear themselves out i the regular season.

Indiana and the Spurs were just bad matchups for them, not to mention a whole lot of bull happened on both sides in the Spurs/Heat series. Had they went through OKC again in the Finals they'd have won in 5.

[spurraider21]

That streak + the championship was more impressive than just the '12 championship run imo. No one tries to break regular season records anymore. All of the good teams are too scared to even try it. It says a lot about their confidence/chemistry that they'd actually do it and even more about their talent that they could pull it off while coasting half of each game.

Against the Bulls and Pacers I never felt like they were ever going to lose. It's kinda like the Mavs pushing the Spurs to 7 last year. It just happens sometimes, especially when teams wear themselves out i the regular season.

Indiana and the Spurs were just bad matchups for them, not to mention a whole lot of bull happened on both sides in the Spurs/Heat series. Had they went through OKC again in the Finals they'd have won in 5.

don't know about that one. the Pacers gave them a scare in 2011 (albeit with bosh being hurt during that series) by going up 2-1 at one point... and then one year later they were neck and neck in what became a 7 game series.

[cjw]

hayward could excel as a point-forward on a team that had a dynamic big like cousins, davis, griffin, prime pau, aldridge, dwight etc... and a ball dominant point guard like burke isn't doing him any favors either, no pun intended

I don't understand the league's obsession with inefficient, undersized, ball-dominant PGs that struggle defensively. Charlotte made a push for him but not sure he would have meshed well with Kemba.

Matching Hayward with a shooter at SG or a stretch four, a guy like Iggy at 2/3 who can also handle the ball, a guy who can cover opposing PGs and a dominant big as you say would be solid.

[RD2191]

don't know about that one. the Pacers gave them a scare in 2011 (albeit with bosh being hurt during that series) by going up 2-1 at one point... and then one year later they were neck and neck in what became a 7 game series.

Not to mention the sitting Hibbert fiasco.

[Arcadian]

Past his peak, yes. He has one or two "prime years" left. As Malik said, he has certainly lost some speed and athleticism already. In the end it will be:

1) Miami Lebron
2) Young Cleveland Lebron
3) Returned to Cleveland Lebron

[jimbo]

don't know about that one. the Pacers gave them a scare in 2011 (albeit with bosh being hurt during that series) by going up 2-1 at one point... and then one year later they were neck and neck in what became a 7 game series.

They were down 3-2 to Boston in '12, I never felt like they were going to lose that series either. When the Heat needed to step up, they did. They were just completely outclassed last year though.

[spurraider21]

They were down 3-2 to Boston in '12, I never felt like they were going to lose that series either. When the Heat needed to step up, they did. They were just completely outclassed last year though.

yeah i got my years mixed up. meant to say the pacers scared them in '12 then took them to 7 in '13...

i agree that the '12 run was their best, which was my point i was making

[Franklin]

dude's as far away from his prime now as his eyebrows are to his hairline, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

That streak + the championship was more impressive than just the '12 championship run imo. No one tries to break regular season records anymore. All of the good teams are too scared to even try it. It says a lot about their confidence/chemistry that they'd actually do it and even more about their talent that they could pull it off while coasting half of each game.

Against the Bulls and Pacers I never felt like they were ever going to lose. It's kinda like the Mavs pushing the Spurs to 7 last year. It just happens sometimes, especially when teams wear themselves out i the regular season.

Indiana and the Spurs were just bad matchups for them, not to mention a whole lot of bull happened on both sides in the Spurs/Heat series. Had they went through OKC again in the Finals they'd have won in 5.

That was my point about the Heat, though..

By the 2012-2013 season, their system/chemistry was phenomenal, it was no longer a team that destroyed you with athleticism like the 2011 and 2012 teams..

[jimbo]

yeah i got my years mixed up. meant to say the pacers scared them in '12 then took them to 7 in '13...

i agree that the '12 run was their best, which was my point i was making

That's what I thought you meant anyways. But my point was that they were also pushed to 7 by an even tier Boston team during that '12 run. Remember that abysmal 76ers Boston series? was so unwatchable it was a joke.

But I don't mean to put down the '12 run to pump up the '13 run. Just saying that teams with good matchups/gameplans can push even good teams to 6-7 games. How often do those teams pull the upsets on contenders?