***** The Official 2014 Avante Football Thread *****

[spurraider21]

Sorry spurraider, next time I have an opinion on the NFL I will ask you if its ok or not.

if i ever say "x player on the raiders is being underrated here" you are allowed to take it with a grain of salt. goes both ways

[ChumpDumper]

There is no doubt about it, I can out run Peyton Hillis.

Prove it.

[Avante]

Prove it.

I get this feeling you get off seeing how many grown ups you can bug in a 24 hour period, huh? The minute somebody..."go away re "...you all over yourself, huh?

[ChumpDumper]

I get this feeling you get off seeing how many grown ups you can bug in a 24 hour period, huh? The minute somebody..."go away re "...you all over yourself, huh?

So you can't run that fast.

OK.

[Avante]

So you can't run that fast.

OK.

As the freak s all over himself, ha~~~~~

I was a sprinter/running back shorty, with far more speed than Peyton Hillis ever had and being into physical fitness for about 40 yards I haven't lost a step, yes I don't have my 100 speed endurance anymore. Due to lack of endurance training for that event.

[ChumpDumper]

As the freak s all over himself, ha~~~~~

I was a sprinter/running back shorty, with far more speed than Peyton Hillis ever had and being into physical fitness for about 40 yards I haven't lost a step, yes I don't have my 100 speed endurance anymore. Due to lack of endurance training for that event.

Prove it.

[Avante]

Prove it.

Prove you aren't a total moron, prove it.

[Avante]

Looking at tonights game....

The Bengals are a great home team, one of the best. But.....they have sucked in these "only game going on" "spots".

There is this little gem....Browns 4-0ATS last 4 on Thursday nights. And they are 3-1ATS last 4 vs Cincy. Now add how the Bengals play in night games.

Sure looks like the Browns plus the number is the play. But.....the Bengals are 12-0-1 since 2013 at home. They are great at home.

So we have a conflict here. I never bet a conflict, yep....pass.

Check out Bengal back Jeremy Hill tonight, cat is a stud. Also keep an eye on Terrance West with the Browns another stud.

[Avante]

A few things...

If Jerry Jones let's Romo play vs Jags he's stupid, a rich idiot. He actually thinks they can't beat the lowly Jags without Romo? The Jags can't stop the run, so what's that tell us?

The Niners are losing it, no intensity at all. I blame Kaerpernick, the guy is not a leader and too "punkish".

How RW has done what he has without great receivers..??? Imagine a Gronk, Graham on the Seahawks.

Big Ben needs to start being talked about as being among the best ever. A top 15 ever.

I'll harp on this again.......stop freaking out over "a" game or even "a" season, it's......rookie! The perfect example of this was that KC vs Pats game. It was...THE PATS SUCK!!!!!...BRADY IS DONE!!!!!!!.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on people, damn!!!! AND...if you recall the Chiefs lost to....Tennessee.

It's a long NFL season, there are going to be games where a team simply isn;t into it....ok? It has....ZERO....to do with anything else. So slow the down...ok?

[jimbo]

Flowers was a wide receiver and would be among the fastest white cats to play in the NFL. The fastest wide player ever to play in an NFL game was John Roderick a 9.3 guy out of SMU. He was a Dolphin but did little.

Johnny Manziel wouldn't make the top 20 fastest white NFLers.

Flowers was a runningback his last season at Tennesee and at times during his first season. Other than that you could call a wingback pretty much just an "athlete" in today's NFL...

But track speed doesn't mean jack when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a ty runningback.

[Avante]

Flowers was a runningback his last season at Tennesee and at times during his first season. Other than that you could call a wingback pretty much just an "athlete" in today's NFL...

But track speed doesn't mean jack when you're talking about football anyways. Flowers was a ty runningback.

Flowers was never an actual running back, and he wasn't drafted as a running back, he was a flanker who carried the ball some his senior season.

Flowers was an outstanding 110 hurdler, one of the best in the world, yep..."world class".

All these "world class" sprinters had good NFL careers...

*** were a Raider sometime in their career
$$$ Olympian



Bob Hayes FAMU/Cowboys$$$
Darrel Green Texas A&I/Redskins
Ron Brown ASU/Rams***$$$
Sam Graddy Tenn/Broncos***$$$
Willie Gault Tenn/Bears***$$$
Ollie Matson USF/Cards$$$
Alvis Whitted NCSt/Raiders
Cliff Branch Colorado/Raiders
Jacoby Ford Clemson/Raiders
Henry Carr ASU/Giants$$$
Isacc Curtis Cal/Bengals
James Jett WV/Raiders$$$
Mel Gray Missouri/Cards
JD Hill ASU/Bills
Michael Bates Ariziona/Seahawks$$$
Willie McGee Alcorn/Chargers
Johnny Jones Texas/Jets$$$
Trindon Holliday LSU/Broncos
Curtis ey Texas A&M/Colts
Gerald Tinker Kent State/Falcons $$$$
Larry Burton Purdue/Saints $$$
James Trapp Clemson/Raiders
Homer Jones TSU/Giants
Buddy Young Illinois/Colts

Now add...

Justin Fargas USC/Raiders...Cali 100m champ
Curtis Conway USC/Bears...Cali 100m champ
Napolean Kaufman Wash/Raiders...Cali 100m champ
Bo Jackson Auburn/Raiders...HS 9.5
Herschel Walker Georgia/Cowboys...10.23
Deion Sanders FSU/Falcons...10.26
O.J.Simpson USC/Bills...9.4
Wesley Walker Cal/Jets...9.5
Eugene White FAMU/Raiders....9.4
Michael Bennett Wisconsin/Vikes...10.18
Jamaal Charles Texas/Chiefs...10.18
Cecil Turner CPSLO/Bears...9.3
Mark Duper NWLa/Dolphins...9.4
Joe Delaney NWLa/Chiefs...9.4
Darrin Nelson Stanford/Vikes...9.4
Butch Woolfolk Michigan/Giants...9.4
Ken Burroughs TSU/Oilers...9.4
Pat Johnson Oregon/Ravens...10.2?
Phil Epps TCU/Packers...10.2?
Mike Miller Tenn/Packers...10.11
Sammie Parker Oregon/Chiefs..10.17
Tony Jones Texas/Oilers....10.2?
Terrence Newman KSU/Cowboys...10.20
Travis Williams ASU/Packers...9.3
Herkie Walls Texas/Oilers...10.3?


All notable sprinters who ...also...played football.

These sprinters all had good NCAA careers...

Sultan McCullough USC
Leonard Scott Tennessee
John Capel Florida
Richmond Flowers Tennesee
Rocket Ismail Notre Dame
Jeff Demps Florida
Andrew Hopkins SFAustin
Marcus Dupree Oklahoma
Javid Best California

You sure great sprint speed doesn't work in football?

When Jim Brown was "Da Man" he was a fullback, his halfback was Bobby Mitc a 110hh/100 champ out of Illinois.

The great Don Hutson, who was the first great receiver was a 9.8 guy for Bama when that was a great time.

When Jim Brown retired in stepped another HOF to be back....Leroy Kelly...he was a 9.5 guy while at Morgan St.

Want more?

Sure ya do

Cyril Pinder Illinois/Eagles...9.4
Amos Marsh Oregon/Cowboys...9.5
Billy Cannon LSU/Oilers..9.5
Alexander Wright Auburn/Raiders....NFL Fastest Man
Eddie Kennison LSU/Chiefs....NFL Fastest Man
Michael Haynes Northern Arizona/Falcons...10.2?

While in HS this cat ran the second fastest 200m in history. He is the current fastest player in all of football, yep, even the NFL.



Winning the BIG12 60

[jimbo]

Double post

[jimbo]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

Not surprised about Tyreek Hill being the fastest in all of football. They don't stop talking about his track career when he's on the field.

And tbh, world class sprinters work at the college level because no one can ing catch them. When you get to the NFL when you get against people nearly as quick as them that can also play football they get shut down. You can't be a one trick pony in the NFL. All I'm saying.

No people that can run fast tend to do good in a sport where speed kills...

[Avante]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

What happened to...sprint speed means nothing in football...??? Well?

Flowers was a dual threat and there is a reason he got drafted. Speaking of Tennesee...

What about these track/footballers?

Willie Gault
Sam Graddy
Mike Miller
Harlan Davis
Leonard Scott
Anthony Miller
Terry McDaneil

[Avante]

He wasn't an actual runningback because he had no football skills, but he was definitely a runningback in that he played the tailback position his senior year. Got 111 carries (their top runningback had 135). Problem was he just wasn't any good. He was an "athlete." That's why he didn't get drafted as a runningback. (He wasn't a good receiver either)

Not surprised about Tyreek Hill being the fastest in all of football. They don't stop talking about his track career when he's on the field.

And tbh, world class sprinters work at the college level because no one can ing catch them. When you get to the NFL when you get against people nearly as quick as them that can also play football they get shut down. You can't be a one trick pony in the NFL. All I'm saying.

No people that can run fast tend to do good in a sport where speed kills...

You are only 100% wrong about "world class" speed and the NFL. You didn't see my list?

Curtis ey was world ranked....he was a 1000 yard rusher.
Bob Hayes was an Olympic gold medalist, he's in the HOF.
Cliff Branch ran 9.2 nine times while at Colorado, he belongs in the HOF.
Ollie Matson was an Olympic 400m medalist, HOFer.
Michael Bates was an Olympic 200m medalist, a great kick returnerr

Need I go on and on and on .....again?

[jimbo]

What happened to...sprint speed means nothing in football...??? Well?

Flowers was a dual threat and there is a reason he got drafted. Speaking of Tennesee...

What about these track/footballers?

Willie Gault
Sam Graddy
Mike Miller
Harlan Davis
Leonard Scott
Anthony Miller
Terry McDaneil

What happened to ... flowers was never an actual runningback...??? Well?

I should have clarified my statement to what I said in my previous post. I forgot I was speaking to a t&f autist.

[jimbo]

You are only 100% wrong about "world class" speed and the NFL. You didn't see my list?

Curtis ey was world ranked....he was a 1000 yard rusher.
Bob Hayes was an Olympic gold medalist, he's in the HOF.
Cliff Branch ran 9.2 nine times while at Colorado, he belongs in the HOF.
Ollie Matson was an Olympic 400m medalist, HOFer.
Michael Bates was an Olympic 200m medalist, a great kick returnerr

Need I go on and on and on .....again?

I didn't read . Turns out guys that are good at football also have other football related skills other than running fast.

[Avante]

What happened to ... flowers was never an actual runningback...??? Well?

I should have clarified my statement to what I said in my previous post. I forgot I was speaking to a t&f autist.

So ya dumped....sprint speed means nothing in football.....smart move since you were totally wrong.

Richmond Flowers ran the ball about 10 times a game for one season, a season he also caught 20-30 passes. He was never just your basic running back, he was more a Percy Harvin type.

Look at Jamaal Charles with the Chiefs and Chris Johnson, both were stand out sprinters. As was Sammy Watkins with the Bills. Speaking of the Bills, Robert Woods the other receiver was the top 400m HSer in the nation. And their other receiver Marquise Goodwin was an Olympic long jumper.

[Avante]

I didn't read . Turns out guys that are good at football also have other football related skills other than running fast.

Do I really need a mile long list of great footballers without great speed?

Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Emmitt Smith
Michael Irvin
Jerome Bettis
Larry Fitzgerald

and on and on and on and...............


Give it up little guy, you're whipped!

[jimbo]

So ya dumped....sprint speed means nothing in football.....smart move since you were totally wrong.

Richmond Flowers ran the ball about 10 times a game for one season, a season he also caught 20-30 passes. He was never just your basic running back, he was more a Percy Harvin type.

Look at Jamaal Charles with the Chiefs and Chris Johnson, both were stand out sprinters. As was Sammy Watkins with the Bills. Speaking of the Bills, Robert Woods the other receiver was the top 400m HSer in the nation. And their other receiver Marquise Goodwin was an Olympic long jumper.

He carried the ball 110 times his senior season. Try again small fry.

Do I really need a mile long list of great footballers without great speed?

Jerry Rice
Walter Payton
Emmitt Smith
Michael Irvin
Jerome Bettis
Larry Fitzgerald

and on and on and on and...............


Give it up little guy, you're whipped!

What? I'll break it down my post for you. I can tell your autism is flaring up tonight.

Turns out guys that are good at football

This means people that are good at the sport of football. Not track and field. Football. I think you already got this part.

also have other football related skills

So these guys, who are good at football have other skills that are related to football. Example, their vision/lateral cutting speed/hands.

other than running fast.

This excludes "running fast" from that list of other football related skills. That means they can do something other than solely running quickly.


You posted a list of guys who had football skills other than playing fast. I wonder if that fits into the statement I made?

[Avante]

He carried the ball 110 times his senior season. Try again small fry.




What? I'll break it down my post for you. I can tell your autism is flaring up tonight.



This means people that are good at the sport of football. Not track and field. Football. I think you already got this part.



So these guys, who are good at football have other skills that are related to football. Example, their vision/lateral cutting speed/hands.



This excludes "running fast" from that list of other football related skills. That means they can do something other than solely running quickly.


You posted a list of guys who had football skills other than playing fast. I wonder if that fits into the statement I made?

Now think shorty, how many games did Tennessee play his senior year? Do the math...ok?

None of that makes any sense since the NFL is choked full of former sprinters and always has been. So stop trying to get out from under being totally wrong, ok?

Check out his second run.....



....the announcers couldn't believe it, Bo Jackson caught from behind....wow! That was a 400m cat out of SMU named Rod Jones, he was a legit sprinter. Like I said, the NFL is full of them.

Educate yourself slick, ok?

[jimbo]

Now think shorty, how many games did Tennessee play his senior year? Do the math...ok?

None of that makes any sense since the NFL is choked full of former sprinters and always has been. So stop trying to get out from under being totally wrong, ok?

Check out his second run.....


....the announcers couldn't believe it, Bo Jackson caught from behind....wow! That was a 400m cat out of SMU named Rod Jones, he was a legit sprinter. Like I said, the NFL is full of them.

Educate yourself slick, ok?

You don't run a single runningback in the Wing T, I thought you were a football expert... He was 2nd in carries for Tennesee that year, the top guy having 134 carries. (The guy after having slightly less than Flowers.)

and got it Avante, sprinters are the bees knees and dominate football. You happy?

[Avante]

This is cute, some fool actually trying to take me on in my pet topic, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

You don't run a single runningback in the Wing T, I thought you were a football expert... He was 2nd in carries for Tennesee that year, the top guy having 134 carries. (The guy after having slightly less than Flowers.)

and got it Avante, sprinters are the bees knees and dominate football. You happy?

Just don't say stupid like....sprint speed means nothing in football...ok? That is 100% wrong.

But....I;m not saying you have to have great speed to be a great footballer...ok? Emmitt Smith/Jerry Rice.....perfect examples.

Oregon once set a world record in 4x1 relay using three future NFL footballers and a world class Canadian.

When O.J.Simpson was at USC he ran on a world record 4x1 team with another NFLer to be Earl McCullouch, a fast white cat and a great Jamaican.

This could be sprinters...Travis Williams, Cecil Turner, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Buddy Young, Ollie Matson....etc

[Avante]

Olympic sprinters who were drafted by NFL/AFL teams.

Bob Hayes
Henry Carr
Frank Budd
Ray Norton
Ollie Matson
Sam Graddy
Ron Brown
Larry Burton
Gerald Tinker
Stone Johnson
James Jett
Michael Bates
Johnny Jones

The Oakland Raiders track team.....some nations can't compare to this.

James Lofton...27-0
Bo Roberson...26-7 Olympic medalist
Dokie Williams 25-10
Willie Gault...13.2/10.10
Rod Woodson..13.2
Tyrone Wheatley...13.8
Jacoby Ford...10.01
Cliff Branch...9.2yds
Ron Brown...10.06 Olympic 4x1 medalist
Sam Graddy...10.09 Olympic 100/4x1 medalist
James Jett....10.16 Olympic 4x1 medalist
Alvis Whitted...10.07
James Trapp..10.14
Michael Benett...10.18

Now add..

Justin Fargas...Cali 100m champ
Bo Jackson....9.5
Napolean Kaufman...Cali 100m champ
Alexander Wright....NFL Fastest Man
Rod Barksdale...45.8
Terry McDaneil...45.6
Stanford Routt...20.6