NBA: Bird, Magic, Isiah, Wilt and Kareem were better than MJ

[Cry Havoc]

Im not the only one who dropped truth nukes upstairs

So no Im not claiming truth nukes about my own posts only


try again

You're including them.

Admitting you're a -tier poster by your own standards.

Actively rooting against your own players.

[mkurts]

Now cue the "Kobe is better than MJ" thread

[lefty]

You're including them.

Admitting you're a -tier poster by your own standards.

Actively rooting against your own players.

so little logic in this ty post from a ty poster who cant handle truth nukes

[Venti Quattro]

[lefty]

Bobby Phills killer got fat

[ambchang]

Wut weaknesses?

You really think Jordan doesn't have any weaknesses? He really is getting overrated now.

Ball dominance, focused on winning individual matchups, freezing out teammates.

During the first three peat, he didn't have the most reliable jumper, trust issues with teammates.

Jordan was great, but he does have weaknesses.

[ambchang]

Well that was the formula for a 72-10 team. In terms of the Post, they were extremely bare. It was essentially Rodman (Greatest Rebounder Ever) and Kukoc as the versatile 6 '11' guy. Rodman was really the big domino because without him you have to significantly alter the formula.

In that formula you essentially tell Jordan to focus his energy on taking care of all the scoring inside the perimeter. I mean all of it. It's hard to ignore the clutch factor. You could find other SGs like Mitch Richmond to shoulder the scoring for 3.5 Quarters but in the end of games? Knowing MJ had this taken are of, allowed the Bulls to focus on Defense and play with an extremely thin margin. They didn't humiliate opponents in the same manner as Shaq/Kobe but they were consistently better.

So we are basically debating how does the formula change if you give Jordan a Dwight Howard & Irving. While taking away Rodman & Pippen. Or maybe to better fit the talent disparity, give Jordan a Kidd/Nash and Robinson/Ewing


PG: Irving or Kidd/Nash
SG: Jordan
SF: ?
PF: ?
C: Howard or Robinson/Ewing



Isn't it easier to find quality Forwards than Centers or Point Guards? Which SF & PF would be the equivalent of Luc Longley & Ron Harper

Nash, Kidd or any other great pg will not flourish next to Jordan. They all need the ball in their hands.

[Cry Havoc]

so little logic in this ty post from a ty poster who cant handle truth nukes

Self-declaration of truth nukes = terrible poster.

[lefty]

Self-declaration of truth nukes = terrible poster.

Again Im not the only one who dropped them

Can't read

[Cry Havoc]

Again Im not the only one who dropped them

Can't read

Parker saving our ass while you cry into a beer.

[lefty]

Parker saving our ass while you cry into a beer.

regular season parker

[Blake]

You really think Jordan doesn't have any weaknesses? He really is getting overrated now.

Ball dominance, focused on winning individual matchups, freezing out teammates.

During the first three peat, he didn't have the most reliable jumper, trust issues with teammates.

Jordan was great, but he does have weaknesses.

I didn't say he didn't. But you're nit picking.

[ambchang]

I didn't say he didn't. But you're nit picking.

That's not nitpicking, that's real.

That's why he didn't win previously. Jordan can't play with another dominant pg or with a volume scoring center. He takes up huge areas on offense and is ball dominant. Any of those players playing with him will be less effective and will have to reduce their roles.

[Blake]

That's not nitpicking, that's real.

That's why he didn't win previously. Jordan can't play with another dominant pg or with a volume scoring center. He takes up huge areas on offense and is ball dominant. Any of those players playing with him will be less effective and will have to reduce their roles.

Neat. Name one player ever that didn't have a weakness.

[ambchang]

Neat. Name one player ever that didn't have a weakness.

None. That's my point.

[Blake]

None. That's my point.

Well I don't know anyone who seriously thinks MJ has no weakness.

But if you're winning multiple MVPs, multiple championships and multiple scoring les, then coming up with " he didn't play well with others " you're really picking at nits

[lefty]

He didnt play well with others


FFS, Bill Cartwright almost broke his legs

[Blake]

He didnt play well with others

so you're saying being an alpha is a weakness?

[Clipper Nation]

so you're saying being an alpha is a weakness?

Duncan is an amazing teammate, does that make him less of an alpha?

[Blake]

Duncan is an amazing teammate, does that make him less of an alpha?

Less of an alpha than MJ? yes, but who isn't?

, MJ was most alpha on a team full of alphas on the dream team

[ambchang]

Well I don't know anyone who seriously thinks MJ has no weakness.

But if you're winning multiple MVPs, multiple championships and multiple scoring les, then coming up with " he didn't play well with others " you're really picking at nits

His ball dominance was one of the reasons he required a highly unorthodox team around him. The players with those skill sets weren't overly difficult to find, but it has to be a comparatively similar formula.

[Malik Hairston]

Dad Killer, can't even build a team that can beat this year's Lakers ..

[Blake]

His ball dominance was one of the reasons he required a highly unorthodox team around him. The players with those skill sets weren't overly difficult to find, but it has to be a comparatively similar formula.

So what you're saying is that Jordan won all those championships with players whose skill sets weren't difficult to find?

Whoa what a weakling.

why are you trying so hard to dog MJ?

[ambchang]

So what you're saying is that Jordan won all those championships with players whose skill sets weren't difficult to find?

Whoa what a weakling.

why are you trying so hard to dog MJ?

Still didn't change that he required a very specific skill set of players to play around him.

Bird, Magic and Duncan all won with a more diverse group of players around him.

Where am I dogging MJ? I am not agreeing that he is the greatest of the greatest and has no peers.

I am not even dogging MJ.

[Blake]

People always get this idea that Jordan could do no wrong, and I disagree.

He's a very difficult player to build around

"I'm not dogging him. I'm just saying he's difficult to build around and he's not a nice teammate. And he's got weaknesses