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    We'll see.
    Daye playing at center is a Pop's experiment, but Tony taking 20-25 shots isn't. You think that is a consequence of Patty/Marco absences? I'm not sure.
    I fear greatly the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals was just the direct result of Parker's injuries, with healthy Tony the offense looks really different, but fairly similar to the iso-monocentric offense played when the Spurs were eliminated early in playoffs.
    Iso wax 011 correct as far as early losses go? Tony was well on 012 and 013 and the Spurs went deep both times and should have won one. The ball movement was starting and being perfected before last years finals tbh and he was a part of it.
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    This team needs more offense. Parker is carrying the load because no one else is creating their own shot.
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    This team needs more offense. Parker is carrying the load because no one else is creating their own shot.
    This is the problem that some folks here have as they misinterpret a correlation between Tony and some losses. They interpret it as Tony messing up the game and the causal relationship is just the opposite. Because the team is messing up, Tony tries to get them back in it and scores because no one else is doing it. Last night he scored 22 in the first half because everyone else was struggling. In the second half he missed some shots, but the game was still close (two points ) when he left in the third quarter. When the bench gave up a 10 point lead to N.O. and Pop put the starters back in in the fourth, Parker only took one more shot during the whole game. And he made that one. But he still gets the blame for having 'taken over' the game. He was, if anything, too passive in the fourth on offense, but the narrative is what it is.
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    Or maybe they would have more opportunities to create their shots if the french got passed the ball more often
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    Well, thats where FG% dun tell the whole picture.
    Imagine this scenario
    A dribbles for 22secs out of the 24secs clock.
    In this 22secs, if he gets an open shot, he shoots.
    If not, he dribbles finish the 22secs, den pass it to either B,C or D to shoot a contested shot.
    At the end of the day,
    A took 18shots and made 11.
    B took 13 shots and made 5
    C took 11 shots and made 6
    D took 10 shots and made 3.

    So whose fault was it?
    Then player A would have 14 assists.

    Seriously though FG% tells the whole picture a lot better than your "let's imagine" fantasy.
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    Or maybe they would have more opportunities to create their shots if the french got passed the ball more often
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    I know parker has huge usage rate plus he played 48 min but damn

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    Well i didnt say parker did that. All i was trying to bring about was that just coz someone shot 61% from the field doest mean hes not at fault
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    Then player A would have 14 assists.

    Seriously though FG% tells the whole picture a lot better than your "let's imagine" fantasy.
    I didnt say parker did that. So player A has a 61% fg and 14 assists in this scenario. You cant say he played well coz of that which means fg% dun tell the whole picture
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    Let's look at stats:

    When Tony scores 25+ points like last night,
    - Spurs won 8 out 11 times last season and this season :http://bkref.com/tiny/qGepK
    - Spurs won 13 ou 16 times the year before http://bkref.com/tiny/iepys

    If you considere Tony "dominating" is 20+ pts then it's 19 wins out of 23 games last year : http://bkref.com/tiny/ddW0n


    Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda but Tony scoring a lot has always been leading to wins and this for years
    Funny how on ST, the post that actually respond to the question goes always unnoticed.
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    Funny how on ST, the post that actually respond to the question goes always unnoticed.
    Doesn't fit the OP's agenda, unfortunately.
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    Or maybe they would have more opportunities to create their shots if the french got passed the ball more often

    /thread
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    Let's look at stats:

    When Tony scores 25+ points like last night,
    - Spurs won 8 out 11 times last season and this season :http://bkref.com/tiny/qGepK
    - Spurs won 13 ou 16 times the year before http://bkref.com/tiny/iepys

    If you considere Tony "dominating" is 20+ pts then it's 19 wins out of 23 games last year : http://bkref.com/tiny/ddW0n


    Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda but Tony scoring a lot has always been leading to wins and this for years
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    Let's look at stats:

    When Tony scores 25+ points like last night,
    - Spurs won 8 out 11 times last season and this season :http://bkref.com/tiny/qGepK
    - Spurs won 13 ou 16 times the year before http://bkref.com/tiny/iepys

    If you considere Tony "dominating" is 20+ pts then it's 19 wins out of 23 games last year : http://bkref.com/tiny/ddW0n


    Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda but Tony scoring a lot has always been leading to wins and this for years
    In the wins, TP scores more because he takes less shots , but good shots, so he is more efficient; he doesnt do that re ed Enrique act; also he has more assists on those wins

    Conclusion: Spurs win when he is not selfish
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    Let's look at stats:

    When Tony scores 25+ points like last night,
    - Spurs won 8 out 11 times last season and this season :http://bkref.com/tiny/qGepK
    - Spurs won 13 ou 16 times the year before http://bkref.com/tiny/iepys

    If you considere Tony "dominating" is 20+ pts then it's 19 wins out of 23 games last year : http://bkref.com/tiny/ddW0n


    Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda but Tony scoring a lot has always been leading to wins and this for years
    Spurs had a 62-20 season last year. thats 75.6% wins.
    when tony score 25+ points, spurs win 8 out of 11. thats 72.7% wins.

    Conclusion: Spurs do better when tony dun score more than 25+ points.
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    This is the problem that some folks here have as they misinterpret a correlation between Tony and some losses. They interpret it as Tony messing up the game and the causal relationship is just the opposite. Because the team is messing up, Tony tries to get them back in it and scores because no one else is doing it. Last night he scored 22 in the first half because everyone else was struggling. In the second half he missed some shots, but the game was still close (two points ) when he left in the third quarter. When the bench gave up a 10 point lead to N.O. and Pop put the starters back in in the fourth, Parker only took one more shot during the whole game. And he made that one. But he still gets the blame for having 'taken over' the game. He was, if anything, too passive in the fourth on offense, but the narrative is what it is.
    Please explain to me how Danny green was struggling at the start?
    At the start when tony decides to pass to him, we were doing so well. After that, he decides to go enrique mode and ignored danny so many times when he was open at the 3.
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    Spurs had a 62-20 season last year. thats 75.6% wins.
    when tony score 25+ points, spurs win 8 out of 11. thats 72.7% wins.

    Conclusion: Spurs do better than tony dun score more than 25+ points.
    That's a way to spin it lol.

    Your math is wrong though.
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    That's a way to spin it lol.

    Your math is wrong though.
    How so?
    I didnt want to extract the games that Tony shot 25+ from the season wins, because the % is already lower and if you remove that you will just get a higher %..
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    How so?
    I didnt want to extract the games that Tony shot 25+ from the season wins, because the % is already lower and if you remove that you will just get a higher %..
    You don't take the 82 game sample when 8/11 sample is being used.
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    You don't take the 82 game sample when 8/11 sample is being used.
    and.. what do I take?
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    Who did you want taking shots last night? Please explain. Stupid .
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    0-1 but Kawhi got his numbers tho MVP1!!!

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    Or maybe they would have more opportunities to create their shots if the french got passed the ball more often
    Damn b. Didn't you just say yesterday that Kawhi scoring 30+ with no assists was a good game?
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    Who did you want taking shots last night? Please explain. Stupid .
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    0-1 but Kawhi got his numbers tho MVP1!!!

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    Parker scoring 30+ efficiently and Spurs lose = Enrique hero baller's fault

    Kiwi scoring 30+ efficiently with Zero assists and Spurs lose =
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