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Yoni, you know I've never been a fan of Barrycare, and I don't think it's a mistake or typo... but I do think the only thing worse than this turd, was to suggest privatizing Medicare.
Still unfathomable to me how red team gave him a 2nd term.
... keeps on giving.
Obamacare architect reveals how they lied to get the bill passed.
Money quote, "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."
Got that? You're a stupid American voter. (Well, those that supported this Ponzi scheme, anyway). Fortunately, most Americans saw it for what it was and the polls demonstrate it. So do two subsequent elections where the Obamacare-supporting Democrats have been sent packing.
This, of course, is the same guy that explained how they tried to extort States into establishing exchanges by writing into the law that only State exchanges will be subsidized.
And, those of you who buy the excuse it was a mistake, a typo -- or that Gruber mispoke -- should know he's been recorded saying this more than once and, in at least one case, the statement was part of his prepared remarks.
Yoni, you know I've never been a fan of Barrycare, and I don't think it's a mistake or typo... but I do think the only thing worse than this turd, was to suggest privatizing Medicare.
Still unfathomable to me how red team gave him a 2nd term.
Thanks for changing the topic but, in response to your comment, if we don't start privatizing some of the social care spending, we're going to run out of other people's money. Period. It will happen.
" You're a stupid American voter"
... which is the working, successful Repug/Fox/VRWC idea when propagandizing their LIES to the Repug base.
All reasonable people knew that single payer option was the way to get this thing back on track.
Repugs made it clear they would pull their pouty self serving bull and block it.
Barry did the next best thing.
STFU Pugs.
It didn't need to be gotten "back on track." People didn't want it. Single-payer healthcare has never enjoyed a majority of support in this country. That's why Democrats had to lie, lie, and then lie some more to get it passed. On top of the lying, they had to strong-arm their own party with Cornhusker kickbacks and other back room deals. Then they had to change the rules of the Senate for it to get through that august body.
But, thankfully, subsequent elections have dealt out the consequences for that and other follies.
But, how do you feel about being lied to over Obamacare, Bouts?
It was Sen Max Baucus/Liz Fowler in the employ of the BigHealthIndustry who wrote ACA, who pre-empted govt insurance/public option from even entering the discussion, not the Repugs, although they of course OBSTRUCTED EVERYTHING the Dems proposed. iow, corporation make govt policy to protect/enrich themselves, NOT to help the majority of Americans who wanted to escape the for-profiteers.
I didn't change the topic Yoni, you referred Barrycare as the gift that keeps on giving... unfortunately, it's a gift that was handed right back when the opportunity arose, sadly, with suggestions of privatizing social care spending. Hopefully there were lessons learned there...
Obviously, it's difficult to sell to people that a business will care more about them than their own bottom line, tbh... which is another reason why the US is still struggling how to tackle artificially high medical pricing...
"we don't start privatizing some of the social care spending, we're going to run out of other people's money."
the new Yoni is exactly like the old Yoni, spewing
how much CHEAPER will for-profit orgs that take over "social care" spending charge vs govt doing it, AND who pays them? the poor who receive the social care?
Barry had the political clout to push for single payer at the time, and didn't do it. He instead negotiated a cozy deal with Big Pharma and the Insurance industry, and it became the turd known as Barrycare. Lost opportunity, IMO.
He NEVER had the power to implement public option in face of health insurance industry opposition. They would have "harry-and-louise'd" ACA with a public option to death.
Magic Negro is ed and un able tbh
He had the power the call their bluff, then let the chips fall as they may. He didn't. That's on him.
he was always able by the Repugs, and they ed him hard and deep.
I expect they will crown their pile of obstructionist with impeachment, sooner rather than later.
got bullied by dem blue dog es.
Boutons can still cobble together a hot key-generated string of nonsensical blather. Good to see some things never change.
pussy eater is ed slapped and has no comeback
ElNono, I started the thread and can pretty much tell when the topic's being changed.
The point of the thread was to demonstrate what conservatives and libertarians were saying, back when Barney Franks was telling us all this was the first step to a single-payer system, was true and their position vindicated.
Obama was lying through his teeth about Obamacare.
They weren't going to "bend the cost curve" in any direction but up. They weren't going to lower premiums by $2,500 for each family, and you weren't going to get to keep your doctor if you liked him and wanted to. They were right about death panels, too.
President Lame Duck spent the first two years of his presidency, when he had a veto-proof Congress, cajoling his own party into carrying this piece of crap legislation across the finish line. Nice play.
I was just engaging in a bit of schadenfreude. I was actually referring to Diarrhea Mouth Gruber as the gift.
I confess, it's hard to "come back" to unintelligible babbling.
I still love that you think calling me "pussy eater" is an insult. Thanks!
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yeah, you right-wingers need simple sound bytes. any thing longer than 10 words, you blow a fuse, better yet, gfy
Alrighty.
Fair enough. My recollection is that this thing was called a turd almost universally on arrival. Not sure how much "vindication" you can get outta that.
The left wanted single-payer, the right wanted the status quo. This was neither. IMO, spending all his political capital on that crap that passed was one of his many mistakes.
FWIW, he never had "two years of veto-proof Congress". He had a filibuster-proof Senate for a grand total of 72 days in his first two years, and that's including Blue Dog dems.
They pushed it through new years eve in the dead of night anyway. They could have pushed anything if they'd wanted. They chose obamacare.
Well, to be fair, Spurstalk's Political Forum isn't exactly representative of the rest of the universe. And, my recollection was that those of us who were pointing out the lies, whose predictions about cost, coverage, and all the rest were pretty much vilified in here. But, you're right, that's not what I remember about the rest of the world; everyone pretty much knew it was a piece of crap -- but, no one bothered to tell that to the Senators that sucked Obama's and passed it.
And, what we got was worse than the status quo. The same number of individuals that were uninsured before Obamacare, remain uninsured now. Many, many more have had their premiums shoot through the roof. Then, there are all the slights of hand the President has pulled over the past few years to try and shield Democrats from electoral fallout, due to their folly. Arbitrarily extending deadlines, and such.
Well, his party controlled both Houses of Congress for two years and with Harry Reid's willingness to change Senate rules on a whim, it might as well have been veto proof.
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