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Just want to gauge the non-biased opinion of the knowledgeable posters that grace the NBA Forum, tbh... this is clearly a very emotional subject for certain Spursfans, so I'm gonna keep it here.
We have Tim's peak from '99 to '06, Manu's peak from '04 to '08 (there's some overlap there), with 4 les, etc... then a sudden drop until we trade for Kawhi in draft night...
It was such a drop that even Enrique himself admitted he though the Spurs were no longer contenders...
Now it's obvious it's Kawhi's time and it looks like Tony has lost a step, so in hindsight, looks to me that the '09-'12 stretch was the worst of the TD era...
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Good thread. Yes
The Manu stretch was from 07-10 tbh, while Parker was the head of the snake from 11-14. Both eras had one le so they're even.
No Manu dropped off after the 09 season. Tony's ended after Chalmers punked him in 2013 tbh.
Manu was the #1 option really until after 8, then Pop made the transition to Tony.
Manu was already beasting in '04, tbh, '05 he had a great year with the Olympic Gold, and a prominent role in the NBA Finals.
I thought after those Finals, Pop called his number much more often, including closing out games, and the Spurs transformed the 4-down offense to much more of a fluid offense... Manu's lead role ended with the '09 ankle injury, missing the playoffs for the Spurs, and that's where Parker really took the reins, IMO.
Even today Gino closes out games here or there, but this has been Tony's team for a while, tbh... well, at least until last year, we'll see what happens with Kawhi...
The offense was Duncan's until 07 at the earliest. He had his decline after that until Pop shook things a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, Manu was a beast, but it was still Duncan's offense back then.
The Manu-led era was the worst.
09-Couldn't stay healthy
10-Swept in the 2nd rd
11-Another injury, lost in 1st rd
Just gonna have to disagree on this one, Robz. Just grab the championship DVD from 03, then one from 05, and look at the difference... heck, look at the '07 series against the Suns... night and day.
That's not to say we stopped going to Duncan, or that he wasn't #1 option. He was. But the over-reliance on him was much, much less pronounced.
That's the Parker at his peak era, IMO. Manu was already 32 in '09... that's when his decline started...
Nah man. The late injury in 2009 pretty much ended that. His production & more importantly his explosiveness wasn't the same after his injury.
Not even close. After Jaren Jackson stopped giving a and they changed the rules the 1999-02 era before Manu and Tony was clearly the worst. AJ, Antonio Daniels, Derek Anderson, and Steve Smith were your backcourt. Samaki Walker and Malik Rose's corpse got significant minutes.that Knicks trade doe.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2001.html
Good point, tbh... I think I erased Terry Porter from my memory...Not even close. After Jaren Jackson stopped giving a and they changed the rules the 1999-02 era before Manu and Tony was clearly the worst. AJ, Antonio Daniels, Derek Anderson, and Steve Smith were your backcourt. Samaki Walker and Malik Rose's corpse got significant minutes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2001.html
He was still the prime offensive weapon tho; doesn't mean he was the right choice but I guess it worked out in the end. Prolly would've gotten MVParker two seasons too early and he would've declined faster. I'd hate to think how bad Parker would've looked last year had he been the first option five years running rather than three.
WinnerNot even close. After Jaren Jackson stopped giving a and they changed the rules the 1999-02 era before Manu and Tony was clearly the worst. AJ, Antonio Daniels, Derek Anderson, and Steve Smith were your backcourt. Samaki Walker and Malik Rose's corpse got significant minutes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2001.html
Yeah, Fuzzy got it
The Spurs also had Richard Jefferson for 2 years. If you take a look at the roster from 2008-2012 the supporting cast for the big 3 was uninspiring to say the least. During that stretch there were a few ill timed injuries that ruined things. The Spurs weren't motivated and their roster was not competing with the next generation super teams that was started by the celtics.
Parker has been a top 3 PG since his MVP in 07. Some spurs fans don't like the fact that he's loyal to his motherland france but the truth is Parker has transformed the spurs offense into the spaced out free flowing style it is today.
the day the spurs got their hands on kawhi, that was not enrique era or head of t he snake whatever you wanna call it, everybody knows that got was a fake ass puppet
11/12 kawhi let that puppet have the reigns for one more year
12/13 we all know what kawhi did and in the finals
13/14 the prophecy that said the child has come...
and fck enrique, that pos should be traded or sign to NYK in exile like that got napoleon
Parker was instrumental in spurs 4th quarter and scored the first 9 points.
Great thread :Lol
No offense to OP, I'm a big fan brah but dat thread is re ed (inb4 the butt hurt replies...)
I don't see in what word there was a Manu-led era tbh
Tim's peak form 99-06 ? based on what ? In 09-10 he was a 18/10 guy and was before a 20/10 and a 15-17 / 10 guy from 10-11. Tim dominated the 04-08 period, Spurs were never a Manu-led team.
The so called Enrique-led era is just Parker carrying a bit more the load in RS during two years spark 11-12 and 12-13, in 10-11 he had a ppg in line with carreer same in 13-14. So ya let's call a Enrique-led era a two years period for a secound round elimination and a trip to the finals losing the le for 28 seconds.
But yeah let's call that the weakest stretch of TD´s Spurs era
on a side note Spurs are still Duncan's team, Duncan was our best RS and POs player last season
Tbh.
Malik Rose's corpse? Rose was one of the top reserves in the league until he signed that $40 million or so contract in 04. Those teams were weak because their small forwards were Chucky Brown, Jerome Kersey, and Danny Ferry, the point guard was Terry Porter, and the SG's were Anderson (worst defender I had ever seen in a Spurs uniform) and Smith (worse defender than Anderson). Walker was horrible, but Rose was awesome off the bench and made some huge contributions to the 03 le. E.g., he had a monster performance in a must win Game 2 of the WCF after getting beaten by Dsallas and knocked unconscious in Game 1. Rose was right there with Horry among the top reserves this team has ever had.Not even close. After Jaren Jackson stopped giving a and they changed the rules the 1999-02 era before Manu and Tony was clearly the worst. AJ, Antonio Daniels, Derek Anderson, and Steve Smith were your backcourt. Samaki Walker and Malik Rose's corpse got significant minutes.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2001.html
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