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Cannot argue that much. Rose was indeed clutch in 03. Otoh there was cherokee parks.
I'm going to say the Roger Mason/Finley/Jefferson era was by far worse than the 99-02 era, because 99-02 the Spurs had prime Duncan and still productive Robinson.
Cannot argue that much. Rose was indeed clutch in 03. Otoh there was cherokee parks.
Holy guys, do you realize what is going on here.........a civil discussion.
Nah, Duncan took back the alpha role (with help from Kawhi) in 2013, hence the Finals appearances and ring.
I forgot Mark Cuban's stunt double was a Spur.
how much of it had to do with the system and enrique not being a pass first pg to get others involve?
has he ever play on a t eam without the other 2? whether its in practice and
we all seen what he can do on the france NT, they dont even fkn need him
so this clown picks and chooses when either duncan is playin to coatride to wins...but when his out injured, sperms dont even need him...
lol top5 pg who plays no defense and always bailed out by backup in elimination games? damn nba lowering the bar for coatriders to be top5
Tbh, it's no coincidence that the Spurs' amazing ball movement in the playoffs last year happened while Enrique was injured and missing games
enrique on any other team, is he top5 or just another scrub?
2010-11 was the only real Manu led year tbh. Manu's prime interlapped with Tim's for the most part, so he was never the best player on those teams. It wasn't until Tim going full TOSB in 2010 that Manu could take over. Tony led the team in PPG but only barely, he took it over at the end when Manu was ing up.No offense to OP, I'm a big fan brah but dat thread is re ed (inb4 the butt hurt replies...)
I don't see in what word there was a Manu-led era tbh
Tim's peak form 99-06 ? based on what ? In 09-10 he was a 18/10 guy and was before a 20/10 and a 15-17 / 10 guy from 10-11. Tim dominated the 04-08 period, Spurs were never a Manu-led team.
The so called Enrique-led era is just Parker carrying a bit more the load in RS during two years spark 11-12 and 12-13, in 10-11 he had a ppg in line with carreer same in 13-14. So ya let's call a Enrique-led era a two years period for a secound round elimination and a trip to the finals losing the le for 28 seconds.
But yeah let's call that the weakest stretch of TDīs Spurs era
on a side note Spurs are still Duncan's team, Duncan was our best RS and POs player last season
ENRIQUE era ended the day the spurs got kawhi
every now and then u will see enrique hero, just like that turd napoleon who didnt disappear for good when his reign was over, always scheming for his return...
Manu was the man from '08 to '11 getting MVP votes and things like that. And that era was by far the worst possible time to be the man of this team having to carry the corpses of Keith Bogans, Roger Mason jr, Ime Udoka, Michael Finley, Fabricio Oberto, the one that shall not be named, etc.No offense to OP, I'm a big fan brah but dat thread is re ed (inb4 the butt hurt replies...)
I don't see in what word there was a Manu-led era tbh
Tim's peak form 99-06 ? based on what ? In 09-10 he was a 18/10 guy and was before a 20/10 and a 15-17 / 10 guy from 10-11. Tim dominated the 04-08 period, Spurs were never a Manu-led team.
The so called Enrique-led era is just Parker carrying a bit more the load in RS during two years spark 11-12 and 12-13, in 10-11 he had a ppg in line with carreer same in 13-14. So ya let's call a Enrique-led era a two years period for a secound round elimination and a trip to the finals losing the le for 28 seconds.
But yeah let's call that the weakest stretch of TDīs Spurs era
on a side note Spurs are still Duncan's team, Duncan was our best RS and POs player last season
That was the worst stint of the "Big three" era and Manu was "the guy" therefore the Manu led era was the worst although that had a lot more to do with the crap that was around the big three than with Manu being "the leader", carrying that awful cast to 50+ wins every year was a huge accomplishment in itself, imho.
Yes it was, a bad combination between heroballing and weak players made the TP era the weakest, things would have been better if he just played like last season Finals (PG).
All that talking about ĻI know that now its my turn to run the team Im only 27Ļ ed up the Spurs but a black baby with cornrows was in the making.
LAST 3 years has all been kawhi, not enrique
b4 kawhi, eenrique led team to nothin
just because he is on a team with kawhi doesnt mean its his team
lol gettin mvp votes in the last 3 years dont mean , when every other front runner was injured or havin a off year...
Odd comparison
Parker in Parker's Era > Ginobili in Ginobili's Era
The pieces around Parker have been much older. Duncan looked finished a couple years ago. Ginobili looked finished in the Finals two years ago. Parker held it all together.
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the pieces around ginoboli....they only get to shoot when that other ballhog decides to pass it to them or else its the same usual possession from him, floater or brick
Fair points. It's undeniable that by 2010 both Tim and Gino have lost a step, tbh... I think Pop looked in 2011 to see if either would have a bounce-back year, but it didn't happen.No offense to OP, I'm a big fan brah but dat thread is re ed (inb4 the butt hurt replies...)
I don't see in what word there was a Manu-led era tbh
Tim's peak form 99-06 ? based on what ? In 09-10 he was a 18/10 guy and was before a 20/10 and a 15-17 / 10 guy from 10-11. Tim dominated the 04-08 period, Spurs were never a Manu-led team.
The so called Enrique-led era is just Parker carrying a bit more the load in RS during two years spark 11-12 and 12-13, in 10-11 he had a ppg in line with carreer same in 13-14. So ya let's call a Enrique-led era a two years period for a secound round elimination and a trip to the finals losing the le for 28 seconds.
But yeah let's call that the weakest stretch of TDīs Spurs era
on a side note Spurs are still Duncan's team, Duncan was our best RS and POs player last season
Looking back, the Kawhi trade was a desperate response to that and the fact that Enrique alone wasn't enough to contend (as he succinctly put it), IMO.
You gotta give props to the FO though, they heard Enrique's request for help and got right into it.
The Leonard trade was also about not overpaying scrub-ass George Hill a new long term contract. Indiana has to be really regretting that .
Kawhi, Danny Green, Splitter, Hill, Blair are the youngest pieces we've had in a long ass time... I know you stopped following the NBA when Rose blew up his knee, so you're excused...
This is another fair point... RJ, Bogans, RMJ... all garbage, tbh
What I'm questionning is the idea of Manu-led team concept... even at his peak, Duncan was leading the Spurs... look at it that way in Tim 08-09 and 09-10 put roughly same numbers than Tim 04-05 / 05-06 with roughly same mpg.
Manu's peak was astounishing and I'm among those who are saying that Manu's peak >> TP's peak but Manu never led the Spurs under Tim era. Parker led it a bit during two years of RS.
13-14 is really a team effort, everybody contributed like the old piston team. I'd give Tim the MVP of last season even though he is far from his career stat on both RS and POs but could go to Manu or Kawhi or even Green (I'm stretching here but you see the point)...
IMO there is nothing desperate on Kawhi's trade, Spurs FO had in mind for a long time Spurs weakness at SF spot... They tried to correct it with but that was obviously a big failure but idea was there... they went after just that. George was a nice piece but his skillset is not that complicated to find... now a guy with big hands playing SF capable to defend the LBJ and KD...
For the rest in 11, Parker was right to say Spurs with and co were done being contenders... not a lot of people was thinking FO was capable to put together a team capable to pull this out tbh
and Duncan deserves a lot of praise... what he has done at 38 y/o is ing nuts... leading a championship team in mpg, blks, rebounds, second best scorer etc while anchoring the defense... are you kiddin' me ?
Manu was the number one option in '08, in '09 he got injured, in '10 Manu was the man coming into the playoffs again (if I remember correctly Tony had to come off the bench at the start of the playoffs) and in '11 he was still the go to guy when we got eliminated against Memphis in the first round.
Bogans is for me the worst Spurs player with significant mpg of the last 10 years... ing awful, totally garbage... RMJ, Bonner, >>> Bogans...
centerpiece !
Leave Tony Alone!
You try dribbling all over the place and falling down like 30 times per game!
LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even performed for you BAS S!
LEAVE TONY ALONE!..Please
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