Tony Parker thread..

[apalisoc_9]

? Parker still looks a step slow. He'll never have that peak speed again but can still score. The biggest adjustment the Spurs should make is find other ways to score in the paint now that Parker can't get in there and score at will.

This wasn't a thread to bash Parker. The Spurs are going through a transition. Before, it was Parker carrying the offense in the regular season but now they have to adapt since Parker can't take over as much anymore. Even though Parker was the leading scorer today, he just wasn't dominant on offense like he was in the past. Duncan went through the same thing, Manu went through the same, and now Parker is entering that point in his career where he needs to pass the torch to his teammates.

Great Post tbh....

[ChumpDumper]

This thread is being spun like a top.

lol

[wildchild]

Looks like he wanted to prove something and he did, tbh

What did he need to prove tonight?
He's better than Curry? Last game other guy got much attention so he wanted to prove he's still the centerpiece of the team?

That's a sign that someone is emotionally immature, a bad type of leader.
I hope you're wrong.

[ElNono]

What did he need to prove tonight?
He's better than Curry? Last game other young guy got much attention so he wanted to prove tonight he's still the centerpiece of the team?

That's a sign that someone is emotionally immature, a bad type of leader.
I hope you're wrong.

I don't think he has anything to prove (esp against Curry), but this is the entertainment business, tbh... there's going to be marquee matchups every night more or less, and Curry is the current flavor of the month...

This was not a contest though, MVParker with the knockout win

[apalisoc_9]

What did he need to prove tonight?
He's better than Curry? Last game other guy got much attention so he wanted to prove he's still the centerpiece of the team?

That's a sign that someone is emotionally immature, a bad type of leader.
I hope you're wrong.

considering the fact that he didn't pass the ball to kawhi at all in the second half, it's probably the latter..

[Cry Havoc]

What did he need to prove tonight?
He's better than Curry? Last game other guy got much attention so he wanted to prove he's still the centerpiece of the team?

That's a sign that someone is emotionally immature, a bad type of leader.
I hope you're wrong.

You just said motivation is a terrible thing.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't think he has anything to prove (esp against Curry), but this is the entertainment business, tbh... there's going to be marquee matchups every night more or less, and Curry is the current flavor of the month...

This was not a contest though, MVParker with the knockout win

It was a statement game from Tony but he wasn't competing against curry...

The play where he ignored Kawhi and Manu Screaming their lungs out to pass the ball to Kawhi when he had xurry only to drive and get bailed out by kawhi himself is proff that tony is not as good as a leader as Manu and Timmy is...If this continues, its a concern..kawhi is the spurs best player...

Trying his best so hard to deny kawhi...

[heyheymymy]

you guys are over analyzing. it's not even december yet. tony looks fine, let him get his legs.

[wildchild]

You just said motivation is a terrible thing.

No. I said there's always the motivation to win on a team like the Spurs, team first over everything. But it doesn't mean a player putting up impressive individual stats just to prove to the media he's better than the other guy.

[Brazil]

TP had a great game tonight, tbh, good to see..

Not sure what all the posts above me are about, though..Tony playing well tonight doesn't change his awful playoff run from last year..these current games are meaningless in the long run, the Spurs need Tony to play well in the playoffs..

You created a thread to follow Parker's progress and now suddenly these games are meaningless on the long run ? make up your mind brah

These games aren't meaningless, Parker regressed last year vs. his 12-13 season, I believe it's a wear and tear from 4 years of non stop bb and that he is capable to play at 12-13 level again after a full offseason but it could be the start of a decline not that surprising for a 32 y/o PG. I thought that was the purpose of this thread.

[hater]

? Parker still looks a step slow. He'll never have that peak speed again but can still score. The biggest adjustment the Spurs should make is find other ways to score in the paint now that Parker can't get in there and score at will.

This wasn't a thread to bash Parker. The Spurs are going through a transition. Before, it was Parker carrying the offense in the regular season but now they have to adapt since Parker can't take over as much anymore. Even though Parker was the leading scorer today, he just wasn't dominant on offense like he was in the past. Duncan went through the same thing, Manu went through the same, and now Parker is entering that point in his career where he needs to pass the torch to his teammates.

Parker is still clearly the head of the snake IMO. If defenses start concentrating on Kawhi, Parker is going to make minced meat out of them.

Plus, I just don't see a Kawhi centric team. He's an allstar no doubt but he's like a prime Marion, would you really build your team around a prime Marion?? nope

[313]

Parker is still clearly the head of the snake IMO. If defenses start concentrating on Kawhi, Parker is going to make minced meat out of them.

Plus, I just don't see a Kawhi centric team. He's an allstar no doubt but he's like a prime Marion, would you really build your team around a prime Marion?? nope

Prime Marion?

[hater]

Prime Marion?

yup. would you build a team around that guy? nope

[Old School 44]

Even after 4 les, Parker still plays with a chip on his shoulder, especially against guys rightly/wrongly perceived as better than him, like Chris Paul, Damian Lillard and Steph Curry. I don't think it's so much Tony's speed is gone, he just can't apply that same speed continously and as relentlessly as in past.

The beauty and strength of the Spurs comes from the versatility of the lineups at Pop's disposal, not from any one player.

Sure the passing/sharing of the Spurs is amazing at times, but don't discount the importance of occassionaly ISO ball, not just from Tony, but from others in the lineup as well. Think about other top teams and who they can ISO with, OKC - when healthy, Westbrook/Durant, Cavs-James/Irving/Love, Memphis - Gasol/Randolph, Clips - Paul/Griffin, Blazers - Aldridge/Lillard, Houston - Harden/Howard, Warriors - Curry/Thompson. I'd argue the Spurs have five guys they can readily do this with, Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Diaw, and now Kawhi. The ability to seamless move from the motion offense to ISO ball is what makes the Spurs a tough cover.

[Cry Havoc]

No. I said there's always the motivation to win on a team like the Spurs, team first over everything. But it doesn't mean a player putting up impressive individual stats just to prove to the media he's better than the other guy.

Parker didn't just put up impressive stats. He shut Curry down to the point where he didn't hit a 3 for the first time since early last season. That means a lot. You don't think Tim Duncan has ever used a little bulletin board material as fuel for the fire in the coming game? Because I promise you he has, especially with his old feuds with Shaq and KG.

[Mel_13]

Coach killer, tbh:

http://www.eurohoops.net/2014/11/dribbling/62015

[Joseph Kony]

Parker tha Gawd. all you sniveling gots hating on the French Mensch

[Cry Havoc]

Plus, I just don't see a Kawhi centric team. He's an allstar no doubt but he's like a prime Marion, would you really build your team around a prime Marion?? nope

There are major differences. First of all, Kawhi is still ~5+ years away from his prime and he's already WAY better at creating his own shot than Marion ever was. As great of a player as Matrix was in his prime, he NEVER developed a first step and was NEVER able to break defenses down unless in transition.

Marion's best season is still more impressive than anything Kawhi has done over a sustained period of time (30+ games), but Kawhi's ceiling is honestly the best two way player in the league, maybe 2nd after AD if you count bigs as two way players (though they are not as lethal in the open court).

There are notable differences between Marion and Kawhi that makes the latter eminently more appealing to build a team around:

Marion was always more skilled at defending the 1-3 position with emphasis on being a tough defender on players smaller than he is. Bigger guys would give him issues. Leonard is much stronger than Marion and thus a much more versatile defender, as he can guard nearly anyone in the league from the 1-4 positions, with maybe a caveat of extremely large PFs giving him difficulty, although I think as he matures he might even be able to cover them in switch-off situations.

As mentioned, Kawhi can create his own shot and explode to the hoop with no assistance from his PG. That's something Marion could only dream of.

Marion was a fantastic system guy and could get you stats in just about every category (incredible fantasy player incidentally), but taking over a game was never something he seemed capable of doing. That was usually left to STAT or Nash to do.

We never really saw the dramatic leap from Marion. Sure, he became a gold mine for stats and got a little better with his extra-terrestrial shot, but we never saw new dimensions to his game emerge like we have with Kawhi. Leonard has the ability to become a truly complete player and is already knocking on the door of being the best wing defender in the league, if he's not there already.

If Kawhi isn't all-NBA defensive team this year, it'll be pretty sad.

[apalisoc_9]

Prime Marion...

[DarrinS]

Parker didn't just put up impressive stats. He shut Curry down to the point where he didn't hit a 3 for the first time since early last season. That means a lot. You don't think Tim Duncan has ever used a little bulletin board material as fuel for the fire in the coming game? Because I promise you he has, especially with his old feuds with Shaq and KG.

Tony defense on Curry was outstanding. Tony's 3pt shooting has been really impressive, too.

[Johnny RIngo]

He leads our team in scoring and is one of only 2 Spurs scoring more than 12 PPG. Where are the threads about how Diaw (big contract) and Kawhi (potential max deal) are underperforming? Does one game from Kawhi offset his 12ppg average so far this season?

Diaw's a role player that comes off the bench. Kawhi's main purpose is for defense/rebounding. Parker's the starting point guard - his job is to run the offense. Until the Warrior's game last night, he's done a poor job of that.

And Parker was gimpy much of last year, in addition to playing Nationals, so he had a LOT of miles on him. Amazingly enough, he still led the Spurs in scoring in the post-season.

On poor efficiency. It would be a stretch to say Parker was a top three player for the Spurs in the 2014 playoffs. It was a team effort for sure but Parker's overall contributions were not as significant as Duncan, Manu, or Leonard's.

I already stated Duncan has been good. Manu is great as long as he isn't asked to play 32+ minutes per night, something Tony IS asked to do, including back to backs.

Manu's 37 - no one should expect 32+ minutes a night from him. Even then, Manu's impact is insane regardless of how many minutes he plays. One of the most impactful players in the post-Jordan era.

Joseph has had, what, two decent games? And against the 2nd units of the other team.

Beli. The worst defender on the team gets a free pass, but Tony doesn't? k.

No one's comparing Joseph or Belinelli to Parker. Considering the low expectations for both players, they're playing surprisingly well.

Parker is the highest paid player on the team, has had a summer full of rest, and is only 32 compared to the other members of the big three. Expectations were high for TP. He SHOULD be playing like the best player on the team. Thus far, he hasn't. The Warriors game is a nice start though. Great game all around - no coincidence that the Spurs offense runs a of a lot smoother when TP isn't ing around. First time all year his defense looked solid too. Hopefully, the previous six games were merely him shaking off the rust.

6 games into the season. Put your ing pitchforks away. It's embarrassing.

It's a basketball forum. Players are meant to be analyzed and scrutinized. Please act like you've been on the internet before. If you want vanilla basketball discussions, you can go to realgm.

Point to where I said Tony has been playing great. Please. I dare you.

When you stated Parker was "bringing it every night" based solely on box score numbers. Unlike you, some of us actually watch all the games.

But I'm going to end this because apparently defending a player on Spurstalk (specifically Tony) means I think he's an MVP candidate, which is laughable. Learn to construct an argument that doesn't fabricate statements that are nearly in complete opposition to what I've said, and we'll talk.

I want Parker to play well. When he's at his best(like last night), the Spurs offense is a thing of beauty. When he's at his worst(like the first couple games of the season), looks real ugly.

[Mr Bones]

Parker just badly outplayed the best young PG in the league. Statistically, he annihilated him on both sides of the floor:

Parker
11-17 FG, 2-2 3ptFG, 28 pts, 7assists, 1 TO, 30 minutes

Curry
7-18 FG, 0-7 3ptFG, 16 pts, 5 assists, 3 TO, 36 minutes

Tony's had his best 3 point shooting seasons the last two years, and seems to be getting better in that regard. This seems like a natural & smart development. It's inevitable that he'll lose some quickness as he ages, but shooting the 3 efficiently will give his defenders something new to worry about, and will reopen his driving lanes. It's all part of the intelligent evolution of the Spurs, from a team that pounded it inside to Duncan to a team that counted more on Parker driving, and now to extreme ball movement and Kawhi getting plays called for him. It's great adaptation & great coaching.

[boutons_deux]

SK had the Warriors pretty much keeping Tony out of the lane. Tony's excellent progress in mid-range and 3Gs is wonderful.

but I agree, he's become too much, too often a shoot-first PG, rather than a playmaker-first.

[Mr Bones]

In the last 4 seasons, Parker has pretty consistently averaged about a single 3 pt attempt per game. I'd like to see that at least double this year. if he can keep shooting at his recent clips from the 3 pt line-- 35.3%, 37.5% the last two regular seasons, 35.5%, 37.1% the last two postseasons-- it only makes sense. His 3 pt attempts have gone up slightly in the last two postseasons, compared to regular season. He's clearly got the range now, unlike earlier in his career.

[Cry Havoc]

Diaw's a role player that comes off the bench. Kawhi's main purpose is for defense/rebounding. Parker's the starting point guard - his job is to run the offense. Until the Warrior's game last night, he's done a poor job of that.

On poor efficiency. It would be a stretch to say Parker was a top three player for the Spurs in the 2014 playoffs. It was a team effort for sure but Parker's overall contributions were not as significant as Duncan, Manu, or Leonard's.

And as has been beat to death, he was not nearly 100% for the playoffs, and even then, many teams in the league would KILL to have a PG who shoots 49% from the field and still leads the team in scoring. Tony is a victim of his own standard of efficiency.

Manu's 37 - no one should expect 32+ minutes a night from him. Even then, Manu's impact is insane regardless of how many minutes he plays. One of the most impactful players in the post-Jordan era.

Ah, so age is all that's important, right? Tony has played 13 seasons for the Spurs. Pretending he's got the average wear and tear of a 32 year old point guard is ridiculous.

Parker is the highest paid player on the team, has had a summer full of rest, and is only 32 compared to the other members of the big three. Expectations were high for TP. He SHOULD be playing like the best player on the team. Thus far, he hasn't. The Warriors game is a nice start though. Great game all around - no coincidence that the Spurs offense runs a of a lot smoother when TP isn't ing around. First time all year his defense looked solid too. Hopefully, the previous six games were merely him shaking off the rust.

I guess he's just ing around, surely he's just not a compe ive player.

It's a basketball forum. Players are meant to be analyzed and scrutinized. Please act like you've been on the internet before. If you want vanilla basketball discussions, you can go to realgm.

That's the excuse every ing troll and everyone with a ty take and no evidence to support uses. Discussion should be intelligent and civil. Unless you don't care about the quality of post on this forum and don't mind stupid amounts of trolling and posting that has infested this board.

why wont u let me troll

it's the internet i have a right to spew bull and feel good about it

When you stated Parker was "bringing it every night" based solely on box score numbers. Unlike you, some of us actually watch all the games.

Thanks for showing off your ignorance. Nothing to say to you other than that's a stupidly pathetic thing to say.

I want Parker to play well. When he's at his best(like last night), the Spurs offense is a thing of beauty. When he's at his worst(like the first couple games of the season), looks real ugly.

Yeah, that 12 PPG guy who's wanting a max deal definitely doesn't shoulder any of the blame for the Spurs sluggish start. To say nothing of the fact that the Spurs have had some serious injuries to several players. But nope, it's all on Parker. This is why fans like you aren't taken seriously on this board.