Kawhi is 5 years away from his prime?? disagree completely
Kawhi can "sometimes" create his own shot. not all the time. He also is not a superb playmaker. Both are requirements for a "franchise" player. Also let's wait until opponent defenses start concentrating on Kawhi, like they do with Parker. That has not happened yet.As mentioned, Kawhi can create his own shot and explode to the hoop with no assistance from his PG. That's something Marion could only dream of.
Marion became an allstar in his 4th year I beleive, Kawhi should be an allstar this year too. Their careers and playing styles are more similar than not IMO. Kawhi is great but not superb at any aspect (except D, which was the same case with Marion) and we still haven't seen the dramatic leap necessary for Kawhi to become "franchise" that might happen someday, or might not.We never really saw the dramatic leap from Marion. Sure, he became a gold mine for stats and got a little better with his extra-terrestrial shot, but we never saw new dimensions to his game emerge like we have with Kawhi. Leonard has the ability to become a truly complete player and is already knocking on the door of being the best wing defender in the league, if he's not there already.
Kawhi has a higher ceiling than Marion, tbh... Marion was the beneficiary of playing in the D'Antoni system
FWIW, Marion was 25 when he was first selected as an All Star reserve (his 6th year in the league)... and he really didn't peak until a couple of years later, which is when NBA players normally reach their prime...
disagree. Marion would be as lethal or more in the Popovich system imo
sure the potential is there, but we are talking about today.
Statistically speaking, Marion's numbers fell off a cliff once he forced his way out of the Suns... he went from a 20ppg player to a 14ppg player in about the same minutes (which regularly topped 36 mpg)... his rebounding has always been solid, but his defensive prowess has always been extremely overrated. He played his best years for a coach that did not care about defense at all, so it was not that difficult to stand out in D'Antoni defensive mediocrity.
Talking about forcing his way out, he was also the cancer that destroyed that Suns team... he started ing he wanted more touches, it eventually became such a problem that Kerr, the GM at the time, ended up trading him for Shaq, and that was the beginning of the end for the D'Antoni Suns.
Marion's defense overrrated??
Marion's D was key to Dallas getting the ship. he defended the likes of Brandon Roy, Kobe, Kevin Durant, LeBron and D-Wade on his way to the ship. He was probably one of the most versatile defenders ever and he locked Lebron to 17ppg in the Finals. Probably a good reason why Lebron asked him to join him in CLE
Parker is a scoring point guard yes but he had developed it into a pretty decent balance of it the past years. However the last few he has seemed to me to be losing that balance and looks to over dribble and score way to often before he thinks about running any offence for the team. I would love to see him get a bit back to the balance that he had before. His court vision has always been a bit average for a PG but he could still be looking to get the offence in motion as he is a floor leader (QB) for the team. The ball usually starts and stops st him.
Shawn Marion, the Lebron stopper that couldn't stop Richard Jefferson the year before...
His best defensive numbers were actually posted when he was playing for the D'Antoni Suns... always overrated, and now he's been done for a while, tbh
Yes jefferson killed it at an astonishing 9ppg that time
And eliminated him
EDIT: ... did the corpse of RJ really drop 9ppg on Marion?
" Jefferson eliminated the mavs"
wow
"Shawn Marion was key to Dallas getting the ship"
wow
“He’ll go down as one of the all-time great Mavs because of his contributions to a championship team, number one,” Mavs coach Rick Carlisle said of Marion, who will rest instead of playing Friday night. “But number two is his versatility and his ability to do so many different things that contribute to winning.”"Shawn Marion was key to Dallas getting the ship"
wow
“He was huge, what he did defensively,” center Tyson Chandler said. “He had a tough matchup every round, starting with Brandon Roy to Kobe to Kevin Durant and LeBron and D-Wade.”
“It was a great five years,” Dirk Nowitzki said. “He’s one of the most versatile defenders this league has ever seen. We basically had him guard anything from one (point guard) to sometimes even switch on fives (centers). He was the best at that, because he had the strength to play with big guys, but he also had the quickness to defend little guys, and the length.
“He was a special player. ”
"Defensively overrated"
" Jefferson scored 9ppg so there you go"
teammates quotes, none of which say he was "key" to anything
"Shawn Marion was key to Dallas getting the ship" crofl
MVParker tbh
I give the point to EN for that round. Hater's rejoinder was weak as . Nono crushed it.
It's all in good fun with my cartel comrade, tbh
One of the primary signs of a declining, former star is that he can no longer string together high-level games on a consistent basis, tbh..
good thing his 3 year max extension kicks in next season
Ugh, it hurts to watch him play basketball nowadays, tbh..
Getting dominated on both ends by career backup PG Darren Collison..
I thought it was 2 years?
not a good look getting destroyed by darren collison.
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