Russian troops, tanks, and artillery have crossed into Ukraine - NATO Commander

[RandomGuy]

In Barbarossa yes but germans had tigers by 42. Like I said they produced so many t34s that the tigers superiority didn't reaer matter. Quan y beats quality in tank battles.

Again, an amateurish oversimplification.

"by 42" means by August, and the initial production runs barely topped 20/month.

Even this technological wonder was hampered by poor tactics in its first few engagements, as the German troops simply didn't know how to most effectively deploy them, a potential drawback I have already pointed out.

Eager to make use of the powerful new weapon, Hitler ordered the vehicle be pressed into service months earlier than planned.[40] A platoon of four Tigers was put into action on 23 September 1942 near Leningrad.[41] Operating in swampy, forested terrain their movement was largely confined to roads and tracks, making defense against them far easier. Many of these early models were plagued by problems with the transmission, which had difficulty handling the heavy weight of the vehicle if pushed too hard. It took time for drivers to learn how to avoid over taxing the vehicle, and many broke down. The most significant event from this engagement was that one of Tigers became stuck in swampy ground and had to be abandoned. Captured largely intact, its capture allowed the Soviets to study the design and prepare countermeasures

To say "quan y always beats quality" reflects the kind of amatuer grasp of issues that modern platform gamers have, since their experience and knowledge of such things are based on games that were designed to reflect the reality of world war 2, in which case that held true, but is simply an over-simplification on the part of the game community, and an artificial one at that.

Play a few less computer games... read a bit more, or play something that requires a bit more knowledge of actual tactics like Advanced Squad Leader if you can find a copy. You can't have mine.

[m>s]

I'll stick to hearts of iron

[Cry Havoc]

I'll stick to hearts of iron

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[m>s]

youve never played it gamer boy? You should try

[FuzzyLumpkins]

m>s' grasp of military tactics comes from video games?

there are awesome books on modern infantry armor, and artillery tactics to be had but that would require the ability to read more than 100 words at a go.

simpleton.

[m>s]

Playing video games /= getting your knowledge from them. Some of them are very useful though

[RandomGuy]

youve never played it gamer boy? You should try

Meh. Knock off of World in Flames and a lot of things borrowed from older board games, with some extra jazz thrown in to make modern gamers happy. Good game to be sure.

If you want a better sense, though, of what factors go into the unit-level tactics, try something like Advanced Squad Leader. 118 page 3 ring binder gets you the starting rules, and you can spend a few hundred on the additional nationality and unit type packs. Individual battle scenarios based on real-world accounts and battles.

[RandomGuy]

Playing video games /= getting your knowledge from them. Some of them are very useful though

Useful to a point, yes. Better:

http://www.amazon.com/Panzer-Leader-.../dp/0306811014
http://www.amazon.com/Enemy-Gates-Ba.../dp/0142000000
http://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Attac.../dp/1607963353
(German lang version>>>) http://www.amazon.com/Infanterie-gre.../dp/3901185070
http://www.amazon.com/War-Indexed-Ca.../dp/0691018545

(german version)http://www.amazon.com/Vom-Kriege-Ger.../dp/1469995387

http://www.amazon.com/Reluctant-Admi.../dp/087011512X
for starters.

[RandomGuy]

m>s' grasp of military tactics comes from video games?

there are awesome books on modern infantry armor, and artillery tactics to be had but that would require the ability to read more than 100 words at a go.

simpleton.

US War College puts out an excellent reading list, one or two of which go into RG's stocking every year:
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/library/bibs/smrl_2012.pdf

Wish I had time to read more.

Pentagon's New Map by PM Barnett was one of the best.

This year:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...metric-warfare

Got to pick one other, probably pick something on energy security.

[RandomGuy]

In tank battles quan y beats quality every time

Another thought that occurred to me thinking about this statement is that the US Army/NATO planned for Soviet tank superiority for 50 years+.

Blunting this superiority were some very nasty infantry weapons, close air-support, like the A-10 and Apache for starters, tactics aside. Added to this are modern drones with anti-tank missiles.

Lunch is just about up. Adios.

[m>s]

Sounds like the although it's not something you just pick up and play during your spare time IMHO. Seems like a lot to learn to get started.

[Infinite_limit]

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How the Israel Lobby Protected Ukrainian Neo-Nazis

Rep. John Conyers wanted to block U.S. funding to neo-Nazis in Ukraine. But the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center refused to help.

AlterNet has learned that an amendment to the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would have forbidden US assistance, training and weapons to neo-Nazis and other extremists in Ukraine was kept out of the final bill by the Republican-led House Rules Committee. Introduced by Democratic Representative John Conyers, the amendment was intended to help tamp down on violent confrontations between Ukrainian forces and Russian separatists. (Full text of the amendment embedded at the end of this article).

A USA Today/Pew poll conducted in April while the NDAA was being debated found that Americans opposed by more than 2 to 1 providing the Ukrainian government with arms or other forms of military assistance.
If passed, Conyers' amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense.

The amendment was presented by congressional staffers to lobbyists from Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, two of the country’s largest established Jewish pressure groups. Despite their stated mission to combat anti-Semitism and violent extremism, the ADL and Wiesenthal Center refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.

According to Democratic sources in Congress, staffers from the ADL’s Washington office and the Simon Wiesenthal Center rejected the amendment on the grounds that right-wing Ukrainian parties like Svoboda with do ented records of racist extremism had “moderated their rhetoric.” An ADL lobbyist insisted that “the focus should be on Russia,” while the Wiesenthal Center pointed to meetings between far-right political leaders in Ukraine and the Israeli embassy as evidence that groups like Svoboda and Right Sector had shed their extremism.
http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis?akid=12483.187590.NGF6tw&rd=1&src=newsletter 1027326&t=3

[RandomGuy]

Sounds like the although it's not something you just pick up and play during your spare time IMHO. Seems like a lot to learn to get started.

ASL is a lot to get started. There are some miniature systems that are easier to drop into and play though, that also give very good sense of simulation at the tactical level.

I will say though, that after having a hobby that involved reading through long or complex sets of rules, becoming an accountant was just another case of learning a new set of rules, and then learning strategies and operations under those rules.

A similarity that I pointed out to my parents, who were always of the opinion that the hobby was a waste of time...