The Gift That ...

[angrydude]

Besides, why didn't this break right before the election? If the GOP is playing the game you think they are, they really ed up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The decision was 5-4 and the SCOTUS is not an infallible arbitrator of truth. It once said slavery was A-ok. It often reverses itself due to nothing more than pure political pressure (the Roosevelt Court). The fact it ruled Obamacare was a tax does not mean it is so any more than it means a corporation is a person.

Why is Bill Cosby's sexual assault history back in the news? How is that relevant to 2014? It happens because things happen and get exposure. You seem to think the "press" or whatever is all over any bit of news the second it happens, and if they don't break it within a week then obviously it's irrelevant. Please.

As for your civil war rhetoric. WTH?

That is not civil war history. It's US history from it's inception up to now. The political strategy hasn't changed much. Telling your cons uents the Yankees think youre stupid and inferior is a common tactic since the union was founded. And 5 figure republicans are the current demographic that eats that up just like indentured workers, sharecroppers and all poor white southerners through time. It is what it is.

If you didn't realize that the government demanding money isn't a tax because of democratic spin before the SCOTUS ruled then I feel sorry for you. If you didn't realize it after they had ruled then I don't know what to tell you. If you want to pretend that what they rule is irrelevant then have fun with that.

You don't even address my point about the GOP sitting on this and then releasing it with a twitter campaign demonstrating how it is political theater. All in all I just see you cheering on your GOP overlords. If you want to think they represent your best interests then go ahead. I will think you foolish for doing so.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Besides, why didn't this break right before the election? If the GOP is playing the game you think they are, they really ed up.

because there wasn't a legislative session and the democrats were content to sit on their hands.

[Yonivore]

because there wasn't a legislative session and the democrats were content to sit on their hands.

The Democrats would have had a worse election day than they already did if this had broke BEFORE the election.

Besides, as has already been pointed out, the news is what the videos contain -- not that they're being released.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Democrats would have a worse election day than they already did if this had broke BEFORE the election.

Besides, as has already been pointed out, the news is what the videos contain -- not that they're being released.

The narrative that you are regurgitating is 'what the videos contain' *outrage* but to not question the timing and the source is just a lack of critical thinking skills. As for the election, POTUS was widely unpopular with democrats avoiding him like the plague, it is not as if they needed something to drop his ratings. Further, the GOP ran on a very non-issue based campaign. I am sure you have watched many of the GOP campaign ads so you know this. OTOH, what do the polls say about Obamacare. . . oh yeah. . . . .

so 4 videos come out in two days along with an obviously prepared media campaign and you think it is just coincidence? you are going to believe whatever you like I guess.

[ElNono]

Maybe I'm wrong, but my perception is that people at this point don't really care anymore. It's "more of the same" from the Congress with a 16% approval rating.

Even if you try to peg it on Barry, he's a lame duck prez now. I'm expecting the Clintons to come out firing at him now too. He's gonna be a punching bag for the next 2 years.

[Spurminator]

Crocodile tears by the GOP. The voters didn't pass the ACA. Congress did, and they had all of the information they needed when they passed it.

Funny to watch Republicans get all uppity about supposed voter deception when that has essentially been Karl Rove Politics 101 for the last 20 years.

[ChumpDumper]

The Republicans should claim that there are Obamacare mobile death labs.



At least that worked once.

[Yonivore]

Maybe I'm wrong, but my perception is that people at this point don't really care anymore. It's "more of the same" from the Congress with a 16% approval rating.

Even if you try to peg it on Barry, he's a lame duck prez now. I'm expecting the Clintons to come out firing at him now too. He's gonna be a punching bag for the next 2 years.

When their rates shoot through the roof, they'll care.

[ElNono]

When their rates shoot through the roof, they'll care.

I'm thinking it's going to be when the individual mandate eventually gets some bite. Obviously, that's if the King v Burwell is decided in the government favor, otherwise, all bets are off.

[Yonivore]

Crocodile tears by the GOP. The voters didn't pass the ACA. Congress did, and they had all of the information they needed when they passed it.

You mean, Democrats passed it. Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the deception.

Funny to watch Republicans get all uppity about supposed voter deception when that has essentially been Karl Rove Politics 101 for the last 20 years.

Do tell.

[Spurminator]

You mean, Democrats passed it. Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the deception.

So what deceit led directly to getting it passed? Why should I, as a voter, feel that I was lied to about ACA?

Do tell.

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage and, basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever." - Gruber, describing either the passage of Obamacare or the Crossroads GPS marketing strategy.

[Yonivore]

"I have stolen ideas liberally ... from ... Jon Gruber."

[boutons_deux]

"I have stolen ideas liberally ... from ... Jon Gruber."

... except the idea that ACA was to be constructed so it self-destructed.

[Yonivore]

Gruber Was Key to Getting ObamaCare Passed

The lies are getting pretty thick these days. The president claims that he never misled anyone about ObamaCare and that Jonathan Gruber was just "some adviser." In fact, Gruber was a key player in the deception.

When Fox News' Ed Henry asked Obama on Sunday if he'd misled the American people "in order to get the bill passed," Obama's answer was "No, I did not." Space prohibits listing all the ways Obama did, in fact, mislead the public.

Bret Baier Reports: Transparency Issues Plagued Obamacare From The Start

BARACK OBAMA: The reason that I think this conversation ends up being a little frustrating is because the focus entirely is on Washington procession and, yes, I have said it, that is an ugly process.

BRET BAIER: This is one sixth of the U.S. economy.

OBAMA: And Bret, let me tell you something, the fact of the matter is that for the vast majority of the people, their health care is not going to change.

BRET BAIER: You guarantee that they're not going to -- they're going to be able to keep their doctors.

BARACK OBAMA: You've got to let me finish my answers.

BRET BAIER: But sir, I know you don't like the filibuster.

BARACK OBAMA: The notion that this is not transparent, that nobody knows what's in the bill. Everybody know what is in bill. I sat for seven hours--

BRET BAIER: Mr. President, you couldn't tell me what the special deals are--

BARACK OBAMA: I just told you.

BRET BAIER: Is Connecticut in?

BARACK OBAMA: Connecticut? What are you specifically referring to?

BRET BAIER: $100 million for the hospital. Is Montana in for the asbestos program? This is people, this is real money, people are worried about this stuff.

BARACK OBAMA: As I said before, the final provisions are going to be posted for many days before this thing passes.

That exchange took place three days before the house voted on the health care bill that eventually became law.

[Yonivore]

FoxNews and CNN's Jake Tapper continue to do the heavy lifting for the media...



Obama promised Obamacare wouldn't do exactly what Gruber says it will do
Video at the link.

[ElNono]

Yoni, does Club for Growth pay you for posting their videos? You should look into it if they do not...

[ElNono]

Hope boutons is also getting some spare change for the effort he puts spamming the place largely with things nobody cares about, IMO...

[Spurminator]

Newly Insured Through Exchanges Give Coverage Good Marks
http://www.gallup.com/poll/179396/newly-insured-exchanges-give-coverage-good-marks.aspx

by Frank Newport

Story Highlights

• Americans with new exchange-obtained insurance are positive
• The newly insured are more satisfied with costs than others
• Most will renew their policies; few will drop insurance

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Over seven in 10 Americans who bought new health insurance policies through the government exchanges earlier this year rate the quality of their healthcare and their healthcare coverage as "excellent" or "good." These positive evaluations are generally similar to the reviews that all insured Americans give to their health insurance.

Among those who bought new health insurance policies through the exchanges, the majority are about as satisfied with their coverage and healthcare as are other Americans -- suggesting that the end result of the exchange enrollment process is a generally positive one for those who take advantage of it. Americans who still lack health insurance will have the opportunity to buy coverage when the national insurance marketplace exchanges open again on Nov. 15.
These data reflecting newly insured Americans' at udes toward their healthcare coverage are based on interviews conducted Oct. 22 through Nov. 12 on Gallup Daily tracking. Gallup asked all Americans with health insurance if their coverage was new for 2014, and if so, whether they had obtained their coverage through federal or state exchanges. About 4% of the adult population classify themselves as being newly insured this year through the exchanges. The comparison group of all Americans with insurance is from Gallup's annual healthcare survey, conducted this year Nov. 6-9.
In addition to newly insured Americans rating their coverage and the quality of their healthcare positively, they are more satisfied than the average insured American with the cost of their health coverage. Three in four of the newly insured say they are satisfied with this aspect of their healthcare experience, compared with 61% among the general population of those with insurance. To some degree, this could reflect the fact that many who get insurance through the exchanges receive government subsidies to help reduce the overall cost of their health insurance.

Newly insured Americans' positive at udes toward their health coverage are manifested in their coverage intentions going forward. Among those who bought a new policy through a government exchange this year, 68% say they will renew their current policy, while 7% say they plan to get a different policy through a state or federal exchange. Meanwhile, 15% say they will get a different policy from another source, and 2% say they will drop their health insurance altogether.

Bottom Line
Americans who obtained new health insurance policies in 2014 using the government exchanges are roughly as positive about their healthcare coverage and the quality of healthcare they receive as the average insured American, and are more satisfied with the cost of their coverage. More than two-thirds of the newly insured who purchased coverage through federal or state exchanges intend to renew their exchange policies, while another 7% plan to look for a different policy through the exchanges.

As the healthcare exchanges reopen on Nov. 15, these data suggest that the currently uninsured will mostly be pleased with the outcome if they opt to use the exchanges to obtain insurance on this second go-around.

Survey Methods

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 22-Nov. 12, 2014, on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey, with a random sample of 407 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, who are newly insured in 2014 through a government health insurance exchange.

For results based on this sample, the margin of sampling error is ±6 percentage points at the 95% confidence level.

Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cellphone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.

[Yonivore]

Yoni, does Club for Growth pay you for posting their videos? You should look into it if they do not...

I don't even go to their website, these videos were found in various other places.

[ElNono]

I don't even go to their website, these videos were found in various other places.

Looks like mailing list material, tbh...

[Yonivore]

Looks like mailing list material, tbh...

Nope, I'm not on any mailing lists, either.

But, seriously, is that really the point here? Can you not respond to the information in the videos -- just attempt to mock or belittle their source?

[ElNono]

Nope, I'm not on any mailing lists, either.

But, seriously, is that really the point here? Can you not respond to the information in the videos -- just attempt to mock or belittle their source?

don't watch infomercials... I like to do my own research and come to my own conclusions... seems like the sane thing to do, tbh

[Yonivore]

don't watch infomercials... I like to do my own research and come to my own conclusions... seems like the sane thing to do, tbh

So, without watching the videos, you think they don't provide enough information for anyone to draw a conclusion?

I don't guess I understand the willingness to remain ignorant of a potential opposing viewpoint.

[ElNono]

So, without watching the videos, you think they don't provide enough information for anyone to draw a conclusion?

I don't guess I understand the willingness to remain ignorant of a potential opposing viewpoint.

What do you mean? I read a lot of left and right publications, local and international, including politico, redstate, etc. I also take into consideration what their leaning is.

I just try not to bite into the fluff that have an inherent interest at hand, like the informercial you posted, Fox, MSNBC, etc... The people that made that video get paid to do that, it's their job, not their intellect at play.

I mean, at this day and age, do you really need anybody to tell you that politicians lie through the teeth?

The difference between you and I, Yoni, is that you let politics get to your emotional side. You hate one team. You're the boutons of the right.

Me, I don't get emotional over politics. I don't hate anybody. I might like or not the system, the person, etc, but I try not to get sucked into the vortex.

Maybe it's because I didn't grow up here, or because I really couldn't participate up until a few years ago, but whatever the reason, I still feel like an outsider when it comes to US politics.