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    I think it is clearly a political move for 2016 but I don't think it has much to do with the Hispanic vote. I think Obama is just trying to bait the GOP into overreacting by shutting down the govt, impeachment talk, etc. Dumbasses will probably take the bait tbh.
    Thinking a little more about this, the shutdown can backfire on Barry too though. Congress will likely pass legislation funding the government and cutting his authority over this stuff, and he'll have to veto, putting the shutdown in his hands. We'll see how it all works out.

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    Do you think Obama would have made this move had the Dems held the Senate?
    I thought he was going to do it last year. He actually already did some of it with enforcement directives. Obviously, the mid-term campaign stopped everything.

    I was pretty sure the GOP was going to re-take the Senate barring some major blunder. In the current scenario, there's obviously some other aspects at play now.

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    Do you think Obama would have made this move had the Dems held the Senate?
    The Senate being Dem or Repug isn't the problem. The Dems had the Senate, sent a imm bill to the House. Boner and the House tea baggers are the problem of NOTHING GETTING DONE.

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    I thought he was going to do it last year. He actually already did some of it with enforcement directives. Obviously, the mid-term campaign stopped everything.

    I was pretty sure the GOP was going to re-take the Senate barring some major blunder. In the current scenario, there's obviously some other aspects at play now.
    I've always had the opinion that the Democrats don't actually want comprehensive immigration reform. It's a winning issue for them with Hispanics, take it off the table and it opens the door to GOP gains with Hispanics and it wouldn't take much gain to give the GOP a huge advantage. Obama's action today guarantees comprehensive immigration reform won't happen. No way the GOP can take the heat from the base on immigration reform AND look like they are Obama's at the same time.

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    NOTHING GETTING DONE.
    nobody wants what obama and you psychos want to "get done."

    pass a bill ordering the removal of all illegal aliens and restoring this country back to a sovereign nation by removing the private federal reserve bank, and we'll ing GET IT DONE

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    you dont think there are lame twittertags on the other side? please
    Sure. #yeswecan and #hope as opposed to #Grubergate and #Benghazi. Certainly different kind of lies.

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    Sure. #yeswecan and #hope as opposed to #Grubergate and #Benghazi. Certainly different kind of lies.
    lol "our lies are better than their lies"

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    the leaders of both the democratic and republican parties needs to go. The democrats added Warren to a DNC leadership post but they stayed the same elsewise. It is my hope that she gets the banking committee chair at some point in her career. That is at least something even if Pelosi, Reid, and Schumer still remain.

    Priebus, McCain, and McConnell got their butts kicked for 6 years kept their jobs and RNC/GOP leadership positions have remained much the same. They let Cruz talk at the RNC convention but they kept Boehner as a foil and made Karl Rove's guy whip for all the tea party groundswell that buoyed them in the house. Many of the people that are most influential in the party like Rove and Ailes, do not even hold any office. Fixate on #Obama.

    For their part the DNC guys are more than happy to let the people do that.

    Until people start talking about party leadership, structure, and legal basis then nothing is going to change.

    I feel sorry for Yoni parroting the confidence of GOP state attorney general types. Those guys are at the front lines in the gerrymandering practice. He is some form of cop so it is understandable at least. He is conditioned to be subordinate to those types.

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    I've always had the opinion that the Democrats don't actually want comprehensive immigration reform. It's a winning issue for them with Hispanics, take it off the table and it opens the door to GOP gains with Hispanics and it wouldn't take much gain to give the GOP a huge advantage. Obama's action today guarantees comprehensive immigration reform won't happen. No way the GOP can take the heat from the base on immigration reform AND look like they are Obama's at the same time.
    I think both parties want the same thing, the votes. There used to be a time where they didn't matter, but demographic shifts are making that harder and harder to ignore. My perception from the bases is that progressives largely don't care and can't be made to care. Conservatives appear more resolute into getting rid of what could be only described as s in their eyes (generalizing here, but the vitriol is undeniable). In that sense, I think it's a lot easier for democrats to navigate the political posturing on that aspect.

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    lol "our lies are better than their lies"
    I am not a democrat. Haven't voted for a democrat in a decade.

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    I am not a democrat. Haven't voted for a democrat in a decade.
    coulda fooled me. i've been voting third party just as a form of protest. i know my state and district vote blue anyway

    i do vote for Brad Sherman though, he's a good guy

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    Politics has basically evolved into a high stakes game of strategy and marketing. Decisions like Citizens United have only cemented that notion.
    All the other lower-level bull is just that, BS to win the power game.

    If you like strategy though, there's an inherent beauty to that high stakes game. You do need to isolate yourself from the low-level noise though.

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    lol "our lies are better than their lies"
    No, one is explicit while the other is 'look at the silly monkey.' Obama promised transparency, civil rights and liberties, banking reform, and all manner of things that he failed to deliver. The GOP has a news apparatus that manufactures scandals.

    You can put further value judgments on your own.

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    coulda fooled me. i've been voting third party just as a form of protest. i know my state and district vote blue anyway

    i do vote for Brad Sherman though, he's a good guy
    Why is that? Because I bash the GOP and you feel the need to defend them? Bouties and Dan do the same to me from the other side.

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    No one is explicit while the other is 'look at the silly monkey.' Obama promised transparency, civil rights and liberties, banking reform, and all manner of things that he failed to deliver. The GOP has a news apparatus that manufactures scandals.

    You can put further value judgments on your own.
    both parties have their issue laid out in their party platforms.

    both sides also have their little catchphrases and bulletin material. you are just being lazy

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    both parties have their issue laid out in their party platforms.

    both sides also have their little catchphrases and bulletin material. you are just being lazy
    You make that halfassed argument and call me lazy. Well done.

    Where is the DNC's Ailes and Fox News? If you say MSNBC then I laugh at you.

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    You make that halfassed argument and call me lazy. Well done.

    Where is the DNC's Ailes and Fox News? If you say MSNBC then I laugh at you.
    whats the one dan rather worked for

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    whats the one dan rather worked for
    So you went with the Fox News advertising slogan. #M$M

    Where does Dan Rather work now and why was he fired?

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    So you went with the Fox News advertising slogan. #M$M

    Where does Dan Rather work now and why was he fired?
    lol what? i dont watch fox news, and im pretty sure fox would qualify as mainstream media anyway

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    lol what? i dont watch fox news, and im pretty sure fox would qualify as mainstream media anyway
    Well, I have and you are parroting the advertising campaign of Fox ie you cannot trust the MSM while they are 'fair and balanced.' If you did not get it there perhaps you should look into where you got that notion from.

    I listen to more than a little of AM radio when out of town too. I guess I am a Republican. . . .

    Dan Rather was fired because he put out false reports regarding President Bush's service record. CBS put their integrity over their world famous anchor man yet you think they blindly support the dems. And you call me lazy. Nice.

    Do you ever see something similar happening at Fox News?

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    Politics has basically evolved into a high stakes game of strategy and marketing. Decisions like Citizens United have only cemented that notion.
    All the other lower-level bull is just that, BS to win the power game.

    If you like strategy though, there's an inherent beauty to that high stakes game. You do need to isolate yourself from the low-level noise though.
    Just seems fixed to me with no real stakes.

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    Fox is a wing on the GOP and i dont even think they try to hard to deny it. why do you think they air a show like 24 there

    stop the terrorists, torture works!

    i dont typically watch fox, i know they have the oreilly, beck, hannity on there between the news broadcasts. i dont really watch news on tv anyway

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    Fox is a wing on the GOP and i dont even think they try to hard to deny it. why do you think they air a show like 24 there

    stop the terrorists, torture works!

    i dont typically watch fox, i know they have the oreilly, beck, hannity on there between the news broadcasts. i dont really watch news on tv anyway
    So again. Where is the democratic analog?

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    Just seems fixed to me with no real stakes.
    A lot of the goals do overlap, so I know what you mean. At a slightly lower level there's the personal perpetuity in power stakes.

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    Just watched Obama's Immigration Address. I'm so proud of him.

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