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not about me, but "some folks...Standard line in ST that Danny is overrated"
I hardly ever see people in ST talk about danny being overrated..I probably haven't even talked to anyone here that thinks Danny is overrated.
Still, with limited defensive prospects, I value defensive versatility more than anything.
not about me, but "some folks...Standard line in ST that Danny is overrated"
I hardly ever see people in ST talk about danny being overrated..I probably haven't even talked to anyone here that thinks Danny is overrated.
Great post until the Bonner comparison :/...
The only people that think Danny is overrated are the ones who don't actually watch every game. If you follow this dude you would know why tbh. Like common sense.
Try control-Fing 'overrate' in this thread, or any thread talking about defense and Green. You'll get a good number of hits.
9/10. I'm glad, I'm the only one who thinks Kawhi is better. Exclusive circle of people.
Green and Kawhi are both damn good, both are elite versatile defenders who can contain opp players without fouling
Green is probably a little better defending quicker type players like ellis, barea, curry etc... but he can guard 3 positions well. Kawhi can guard 1 through 4 well and is a probably a little bit better help defender. Obviously so far, kawhi's been taking more gambles swiping at the ball a little too much but you know when the games matter he'll be more disciplined.
I'm with you bro...
Which are these mythical 4s and 1s that Kawhi has guarded so well? Pop very rarely puts him on such players, except in short stints. Is this bull triggered by that one steal on Paul?
Green is absolutely terrific for the Spurs by his capacity to knock down 3s and so open the floor and of course on the defensive end (see chinook post) and he is our best guy on transition, that element is overlooked a lot, with Green on the floor, opponent needs to think twice on transition, against Spurs there are no easy points...
Nevertheless Kawhi is more valuable because of his size and capacity to guard the two best league players KD and LBL (Green can have a look at them but he is too short to be efficient during a whole game).
We saw Leonard playing so well against those guys for long minutes (against PG's like Wall, Kemba, against hybrid SF/PF like Lebron, Morris twins, etc) but even if he plays in short stints he makes a huge impact on the defensive end since he can deny the ball, play the passing lanes, and shut down his man in those low minutes.
I don't think so, maybe this comes from his college days, the stories about his verstile/lockdown defense stand out from his college days.Is this bull triggered by that one steal on Paul?
Kawhi was a game-changing player in so many ways for San Diego State and one of most exciting thing to watch was Leonard playing D against those teams with a one-man show.
For an example, Aztec fans can say how epic were those games against Fredette and BYU in Leonard's SDSU last season.
Even if San Diego had Tapley, White and Franklin to put on this guy, they expected that Kawhi could slow down Jimmer.
In one of those BYU-SDSU rivalry nights, Kawhi suffered the effects of flu symptoms and received two bags of IV before the game, while he was warning up, Leonard vomited twice.
However, he still played very well under the cir stancess (22 points and 15 rebounds) but he got tired as the game went on and Jimmer scored +40.
SDSU played three times BYU that year, they lost the first two games but won when it mattered most, the last game, they won their second MWC le.
Anyway, why criticize Kawhi's instincts for raiding passing lanes against Paul, Lin, Irving, etc? I wouldn't blame Leonard's steals, one of those steals won last WCF for us.
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I can't be bothered making a long post about this but I just want to say that it's nice that the Spurs have a pair of perimeter defenders that between them are the best at ripping the ball directly from the opposition, the best at defending in transition and the best at shotblocking from a perimeter position.
Sure beats the days of Roger Mason, Richard Jefferson and Michael Finley.
PPP isn't the only truth on defense.
Leonard's defensive ability must be properly evaluated in terms of denying the ball, rebounding, stripping the ball, playing the passing lanes, too.
I don't disagree... just saying what makes Leonard more valuable for the team than DG is his capacity to defend long athletic super stars SF things DG cannot do and very few in the league can.
Certainly better than Klay Thompson who somehow gets everybody's love in this regard...
Everytime I hear "Klay's dogged defense"
Truth.
As does Green's. Most of those things are covered in PPP anyway. Leonard's rebounding is awesome, but that is the only metric that give him the nod over Green. If rebounds weren't part of DRtg, Green would be much higher.
Green is a great defender and i am glad that Green & Leonard are on the same team.
But Leonard is probably the better on the ball defender and the better one-on-one defender. His footwork is what Zach Lowe calls, the "lock step" - locked in with the footwork of the offensive player, mirroring every step that the offensive player takes. The only good comparison in the league right now is probably Tony Allen and Jimmy Butler. Green has still aways to go to reach that level of one-on-one defense.
Leonard gambles (and succeeds & fails) a bit more than Green, who is more solid. And Danny Green is possibly the best transition defender on the planet among wings right now. So there.
They are both great defenders and compliment eachother well in that regard as well. If the game is on the line though and Lebron or Durant or whoever have the ball with 10 seconds left, I would choose Leonard to put on an island. JMO.
I do like Danny defending the guys who are a little quicker though like CP3, Curry, etc.
We're lucky to have both. I'd rather not think of one or both on another team.
We've had lively debates about these two. I'd be interested in seeing who the GM's would build around. Not that they're always right but it would be interesting to see what other GM's/Coaches prefer.
Going from the days of RJ + Bogans/Finley/Mason to Leonard and Green is my favorite Spurs move of the last few years. Hopefully both of them come back next year.
I remember of dreaming of a bowen type player each and everyday those gots play no defense. Now we have two and way better on the other side of the court.
nig please neither Kawhi nor Danny come close to Bowen perimeter defense
let's move along
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