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    This guy is so soft tbh. He's easily discouraged by the slightest challenge.

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    Or, have it in the gd case, counting your money selling the on the tv and all the sudden here comes the law wanting it back.

    Amy

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    Or, have it in the gd case, counting your money selling the on the tv and all the sudden here comes the law wanting it back.

    Amy
    No bend over jokes this morning?

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    No bend over jokes this morning?
    No, I'm half asleep, tryin' to get this coffee to kick in.

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    No, I'm half asleep, tryin' to get this coffee to kick in.

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    This guy is so soft tbh. He's easily discouraged by the slightest challenge.
    you don't win back2back if you're soft.

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    Meanwhile, your "closer" Kyrie is a cancer who's never even made the playoffs.
    Mike Miller bailed him out. Then Ray Allen followed suit. Otherwise he's an 0-fer, like Phillip Rivers.

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    If he's not a closer then Kobe isn't too.

    Both mythical sons of es
    For better (5 Finals wins) or for worst (2 Finals losses), Kobe has been our closer since he was 21. 5-2 >>>>>>>>>> 2**-3.



    ** denotes a bailout by Mike Miller and Ray Allen in consecutive years.


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    For better (5 Finals wins) or for worst (2 Finals losses), Kobe has been our closer since he was 21. 5-2 >>>>>>>>>> 2**-3.



    ** denotes a bailout by Mike Miller and Ray Allen in consecutive years.

    Also more misses during crunch time. -25 points son!

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    Also more misses during crunch time. -25 points son!

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    LeBron: "We're a very fragile team right now ... And this isn't even the lowest it can get"


    GM Lebron is mad. Someone is gonna get shipped.
    GM Lebron is what keeps messing up the Cavs in the first place. It's hard to blame him too much, though. Any team built around him is going to be extremely flawed.

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    GM Lebron is what keeps messing up the Cavs in the first place. It's hard to blame him too much, though. Any team built around him is going to be extremely flawed.
    how so

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    He's an SF who plays in the post and insists on being the PG. It's all well and good that he can do so much for a team, but that really marginalizes the rest of the lineup. He can't play next to traditional bigs anymore, which is why Love and Bosh had to give up so much. That's also why his teams can't protect the paint, since they give up so much size in return for spacing. He can't let the PG handle the ball, so Irving is pretty much shooting whenever he touches the ball. That's also what encourages them to play Waiters at the one even though he's not good at it.

    The only reason why Wade and James worked together is because they are pretty much the same player and just took turns trading off. But even with that, the Heat were weak when they weren't winning their gambles. Until Lebron moves to the four full time and gives up the ball, his teams can't hope to play traditional lineups.

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    Good read :

    http://nyloncalculus.com/2014/11/23/cavonometry-games-11-12-6-9-exposes-pine/


    Deja’ View: Cavs of 2014-15 vs. Heat of 2010-11 (thru 12 games)


    Miami 8-4 (+10.8 margin average)


    Cleveland 5-7 (-0.9 margin average)


    The well-remembered benchmark was Miami going 9-8 in its first 17 games with James-Wade-Bosh and company…just before going on a 21-1 rampage. Cleveland still has a chance to get to 9-8 with a 4-1 run. But there is very little in the stats or eye test that would suggest greatness is just a couple of weeks away.


    Cleveland did have that fantastic game vs. Atlanta last week. In 2010-11, Miami had four wins of 23 points or more in its first 11 games.


    Let’s note though that running into the best two teams in the current Eastern standings on the heels of defending World Champion San Antonio at the end of a brutal fatigue stretch is creating a polluted read. What’s ahead for a fresher team is going to be much easier.

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    finding similarities between miami and cleveland is pretty hard, miami could defend lights out and were getting most of their points out of transition baskets. That is never going to happen in cleveland with love, waiters and irving..

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    It's borderline re ed to think that, because Miami did it a certain way, when you see that way again it's going to have the same outcome or that it should. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, huge fallacy that's overused by media and fans alike. "In Miami, they lost blah blah blah before they won" but guess what, other teams lost blah blah blah and didn't win , so to think a team is going to suddenly turn it around because Miami did is just basically re ed thinking. It's possible they do, there's precedence, but losing is not a pattern for winning.

    That said, the idea that Lebron is taking time off while employed is not far fetched, but I don't see his ego allowing him to keep losing games. Eventually he's going to turn to the coaching staff and say "fix this " and they will and that will be that, but it's not like Miami by a long shot because Wade was seeing the playoffs yearly when he was healthy, Irving, not so much.

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    He was drafted on potential in a weak draft. Off the top of my head guys like that in terms of potential based on a very small sample size like Olowokandi, Bargnani, and Kwami have been busts and of course were not talking about no brainers number ones like Anthony Davis or Lebron or he would still be in Cleveland.
    Plus if Embiid doesn't break his foot dude goes third in a draft since reports are Milwaukee was still taking Parker.
    Lol this isn't a draft, not even close. Not even remotely close. It's a raw draft.

    and three guys out of the entirety of #1 picks that you can think of. Great job proving my point man. Either you've got a memory or #1 picks don't bust often.

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    The only reason why Wade and James worked together is because they are pretty much the same player and just took turns trading off. But even with that, the Heat were weak when they weren't winning their gambles. Until Lebron moves to the four full time and gives up the ball, his teams can't hope to play traditional lineups.
    They didn't do this much after 2011, not nearly enough to warrant mentioning it

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    Lol this isn't a draft, not even close. Not even remotely close. It's a raw draft.

    and three guys out of the entirety of #1 picks that you can think of. Great job proving my point man. Either you've got a memory or #1 picks don't bust often.
    Draft had depth but the top was weak after EMbiid broke his foot and Wiggins is raw as and a total risk/reward home run pick regardless of where he was drafted. Especially considering how much he coasted/disappointed scouts at KU.

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    Draft had depth but the top was weak after EMbiid broke his foot and Wiggins is raw as and a total risk/reward home run pick regardless of where he was drafted. Especially considering how much he coasted/disappointed scouts at KU.
    Embiid was even more raw than Wiggins, top was the same regardless of Embiid breaking his foot. He wouldn't have been a meaningful contributor this year in any possible cir stance. The 76ers are trying to lose games, not win them.

    Wiggins is definitely raw, literally everyone in the lotto was. That doesn't make it a bad draft, just one that you have to wait a few years to see the results of.

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    Lol this isn't a draft, not even close. Not even remotely close. It's a raw draft.

    and three guys out of the entirety of #1 picks that you can think of. Great job proving my point man. Either you've got a memory or #1 picks don't bust often.
    So let me get this straight Embiid doesn't break his foot, Wiggins goes third and then he's not a cant miss prospect. Now he goesfirst and is a can't miss prospect despite being the same player?

    Good point. Makes sense.

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    Embiid was even more raw than Wiggins, top was the same regardless of Embiid breaking his foot. He wouldn't have been a meaningful contributor this year in any possible cir stance. The 76ers are trying to lose games, not win them.

    Wiggins is definitely raw, literally everyone in the lotto was. That doesn't make it a bad draft, just one that you have to wait a few years to see the results of.
    Embiid was the consensus number one before breaking his foot. Plus if he didnt break his foot he'd probably be in Cleveland seeing as to how their biggest need is a rim protector. But maybe Lebron makes them trade him for Love, I dunno.

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    I do think that trade was a mistake. They probably could have gotten both Asik and Ryan Anderson with their non-Wiggins assets, which would have made their roster much stronger than it is now. Then, Andrew would start as the two-guard, and his only task would be to defend the opposing team's best perimeter threat. That's a role I think he would have excelled in while everything else came. He doesn't have that luxury on the Wolves.
    Why would NO trade Asik or Anderson though? They're awesome role players and relatively young. Plus Davis is awesome right now so there is no need to be build for the far off future. They can compete in the next few years with that core and a little tinkering.

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    So let me get this straight Embiid doesn't break his foot, Wiggins goes third and then he's not a cant miss prospect. Now he goesfirst and is a can't miss prospect despite being the same player?

    Good point. Makes sense.

    And in any world this is a better comparison than comparing the risk/reward of drafting or trading Wiggins to Roddy Beaubois.

    When I'm competing with a comparison that bad I could literally take a on a piece of paper, upload the picture and still come out looking pretty. If you want to make me work harder, you're gonna have to do the same.


    Embiid was the consensus number one before breaking his foot. Plus if he didnt break his foot he'd probably be in Cleveland seeing as to how their biggest need is a rim protector. But maybe Lebron makes them trade him for Love, I dunno.
    Well breaking his foot added onto the already existing questions about his back. Apparently his physical with the Cavs was the tipping point behind not drafting him. If that was the case, his foot might have not even mattered.

    And do you really think you can predict how the Cavs are going to draft? I'm betting you didn't see them picking Tristan Thomspon in the lotto a few years ago or Bennett last year. It's a lot more rare nowadays to draft based on need. Most teams are just grabbing who they think is the most "can't miss" prospect. (although overall fit and at ude plays into it also. I think that's why the Bucks picked Parker. Sanders is definitely not good enough to avoid drafting Embiid over had they thought he was that good. Parker actually wants to be there.)

    The other problem is that the Cavs really really love Varejao. They should have traded him a few years ago when he had that monster start to open up the season but they refused to. I don't know who the they would draft that would overcome their love for him tbh....

    & Bron was making them trade for Love regardless imo. He left Miami because he was tired of carrying his team, he'd have to do that even more had they drafted Embiid.

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