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    Here's what really irks me about these black athletes chiming in.

    These guys live in million dollar mansions, spend outrageous funds on frivolous material like jewelry and the like.

    How about putting their money where their discontent is and support services, programs, and education for the young black males.

    Are they doing that? no. They just join the chorus and echo their own pent up frustrations with perceived prejudice against their race.

    Bunch of hypocritical, uneducated, ingrates. Seriously if it wasn't for the athletic abilities, what would Bryant, James, Baron Davis, Matt Barnes, Serena Williams, Justin Tuck do???

    I will spend the rest of my NBA fandom rooting fiercely against the race-baiting heads.

    And you Steve Nash you white liberal bas .
    Bryant - lower level management at some food packaging company (quota hire)
    James - UPS warehouse
    Baron Davis - Footlocker
    Matt Barnes - incarcerated
    Serena Williams - crack ho
    Justin Tuck - unemployed

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    So what's the the real beef here? Police brutality or the race of the participants?

    I will stand behind the notion that if ANYONE of any race, color, background, or gender confronts a police officer in an aggressive manner, they are taking their lives in their hand.

    How simple is this fact: Do NOT with someone who not only carries deadly weapons, but is trained and directed to use it in face of direct aggression.

    Mike Brown directly charged the officer. That fact is indisputable. Had he not done that, he'd be alive and kicking. His size definitely played a part to. Why wouldn't it???

    I wish to high the cop was black in this episode. I would bet every dollar I had that the same result would have occurred.

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    So what's the the real beef here? Police brutality or the race of the participants?

    I will stand behind the notion that if ANYONE of any race, color, background, or gender confronts a police officer in an aggressive manner, they are taking their lives in their hand.

    How simple is this fact: Do NOT with someone who not only carries deadly weapons, but is trained and directed to use it in face of direct aggression.

    Mike Brown directly charged the officer. That fact is indisputable. Had he not done that, he'd be alive and kicking. His size definitely played a part to. Why wouldn't it???

    I wish to high the cop was black in this episode. I would bet every dollar I had that the same result would have occurred.
    Absolutely. Or if the kid was white and had attacked a black police officer after committing a robbery, would anyone have cared?

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    I wish to high the cop was black in this episode.



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    So is the great 'stop shooting our hoodlums' revolution of 2014 over? Or do they expect another shopping spree tonight in the name of justice?

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    At least the Browns have a chance to win the civil trial with FuzzyLumpkins as the star witness.

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    Again, what specifically did or didn't the prosecutor do that makes you think he wasn't doing his job?
    Read my initial statement that you had issue with. Compare and contrast with this question and see if you can come up withsomething that is actually germane. If you cannot I will help with your reading.

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    Read my initial statement that you had issue with. Compare and contrast with this question and see if you can come up withsomething that is actually germane. If you cannot I will help with your reading.
    So you can't point to anything specifically that gives your opinion here any basis. And, on top of that, you want me to articulate your argument? Lol criticial thinking.

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    Only Fuzzy would get defensive and shut down completely when someone asks him to 'splain himself.

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    Saw an interview with one of the looted stores saying he thought it would be worse tonight. Are there any streams for tonight's entertainment? Or is that Bassim dude too broke to pick up another phone.

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    So you can't point to anything specifically that gives your opinion here any basis. And, on top of that, you want me to articulate your argument? Lol criticial thinking.
    No, I said your question has no basis in what I actually said. You didn't reread what I said obviously. I didn't ask you to restate it. I asked to you to ask a question germane to what I said.

    This is twice you have failed.

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    Wilson's got away with murder.....He's now speaking and since he is it's clear the case should have went to trial....His story. --->>>
    He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.

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    Only Fuzzy would get defensive and shut down completely when someone asks him to 'splain himself.
    You didn't ask me to explain myself. You asked me about his 'job' which I never commented on.

    I can certainly quote the litany of articles talking about GJ indictment rates.

    Do you need further explanation on how assigning a prosecutor who worked with and used police officers is a conflict of interest?

    No, you want to ask non-pertinent questions. You don't get to frame my conversation either, bag. Not this way and you don't have the skills eleswise but keep trying; it is amusing, counselor crayola.

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    Wilson's got away with murder.....He's now speaking and since he is it's clear the case should have went to trial....His story. --->>>
    That was their original story and the same one that the chief gave in his first presser. He then changed it when physical evidence contradicted that.

    What do double standard mean?

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    Here's the full story:

    The story Wilson tells goes like this:


    At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt.
    Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks.
    And then things get weird.


    Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is " what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, " what you have to say."

    Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him.


    Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — " what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.
    What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it.
    I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.
    So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.


    Every bull detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.
    Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [Brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun.


    Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a ing pussy to shoot me."

    Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a ing pussy to shoot me." He dares him to shoot.


    And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.)
    Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words:
    When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down.



    The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer.
    Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown.


    There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.


    There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back.


    But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why?


    Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed?


    None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.
    Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true.


    But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story.

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    You didn't ask me to explain myself. You asked me about his 'job' which I never commented on.

    I can certainly quote the litany of articles talking about GJ indictment rates.

    Do you need further explanation on how assigning a prosecutor who worked with and used police officers is a conflict of interest?

    No, you want to ask non-pertinent questions. You don't get to frame my conversation either, bag. Not this way and you don't have the skills eleswise but keep trying; it is amusing, counselor crayola.
    Lol cherry-picking what's pertinent. We get it, you have nothing to point at specifically, so you're just going on some tired "appearance of propriety" bull . Lol critical thinking

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    The prosecutor wasn't trying to get an indictment.
    You didn't ask me to explain myself. You asked me about his 'job' which I never commented on.
    So, in all your critical thinking, saying that a prosecutor wasn't trying to get an indictment isn't a comment on said prosecutors job. Do you know what a prosecutor does?

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    most of us don't give a about Mike Brown or his actions, tbh, that's not the case here..sure, he was probably some thug, but that's not the discussion point in this case..

    It's troubling that so many White policemen are afraid of Black men, despite being trained to utilize sound logic and decision-making, follow protocol and not allow fear to cloud their judgment..

    Even if you are on the side of the police here, you can at least admit the man is a pussy and shouldn't be a ing cop..look at his "injuries"..

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    So, in all your critical thinking, saying that a prosecutor wasn't trying to get an indictment isn't a comment on said prosecutors job. Do you know what a prosecutor does?
    I personally do not think it is the prosecutors job to try and get an indictment for every case presented to him. What his job is, is irrelevant to whether or not he tried to get an indictment. If you want to say that he doesn't have to try and get an indictment then thanks for stating the obvious.

    critical thinking indeed

    If you want to think that Wilson's boss tried to indict him by presenting all the evidence including stuff that he knew to be confusing, contradictory and wrong then all I can do is laugh at you.

    In your wealth of GJ experience how many times have you seen a prosecutor do this and why do you think that the prosecutor did that, couselor crayola?

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    Lol cherry-picking what's pertinent. We get it, you have nothing to point at specifically, so you're just going on some tired "appearance of propriety" bull . Lol critical thinking
    You are commenting on what I said.

    critical thinking

    I am not saying that it is not 'pertinent' in the general sense to this discussion. I am saying it is not pertinent to what I am saying.

    You really, really suck at logic and argumentation. You cannot keep up with the flow at all.

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    I personally do not think it is the prosecutors job to try and get an indictment for every case presented to him. What his job is, is irrelevant to whether or not he tried to get an indictment. If you want to say that he doesn't have to try and get an indictment then thanks for stating the obvious.
    Do you know what does a prosecutor do when he's in front of a grand jury?

    Do you have any reason to believe the prosecutor here didn't try to get an indictment other than your appearance of impropriety bull ?

    critical thinking indeed

    If you want to think that Wilson's boss tried to indict him by presenting all the evidence including stuff that he knew to be confusing, contradictory and wrong then all I can do is laugh at you.
    Crofl

    The county prosecutor isn't Wilson's boss. He's not a part of the Police Department. He's not law enforcement. So much for the Boss won't indict Employee theory.

    In your wealth of GJ experience how many times have you seen a prosecutor do this and why do you think that the prosecutor did that, couselor crayola?
    True, you've handled many more trials than I have. Remind me again what your number is?

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    Do you know what does a prosecutor do when he's in front of a grand jury?

    Do you have any reason to believe the prosecutor here didn't try to get an indictment other than your appearance of impropriety bull ?

    critical thinking indeed



    Crofl

    The county prosecutor isn't Wilson's boss. He's not a part of the Police Department. He's not law enforcement. So much for the Boss won't indict Employee theory.



    True, you've handled many more trials than I have. Remind me again what your number is?
    If you want to make a comment about the prosecutors role in GJ proceeding then have at it. You cannot do it so you rely on the incredulity argument, counselor crayola. but hey at least you have moved on from the job thing and surrender that.

    You cannot articulate a damn thing and it's hilarious. Do you really have a law degree? I don't care how many trials you've been involved in. You are god awful at making arguments. What was it you said you used? legal zoom?

    It's bee well do ented the cases that the prosecutors office has been losing because Wilson hasn't shown up to testify for them. If you don't think that the prosecutor doesn't have an authoritative role in that environment then you are an idiot.

    appeal to your supposed authority some more, its hilarious watching you have to fall back on that time and again cause you suck at articulation.

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