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Sucks that it is shaping up to be another cold winter and MannyIsGod isn't around to get mad about it.
I don't see it mentioned on the front page here so, I'll start it up.
Great Lakes ice cover developing; Earliest in over 40 years
Hmmmm...Ice is already starting to develop on Michigan's Great Lakes. This is the earliest ice on some of the Great Lakes in at least 40 years.
So, in the 70's, it was Global Cooling -- we would be frozen by the turn of the century.
Then, when it started warming, it was Global Warming -- we would all drown or dehydrate by 2020.
Now that it has stopped warming and, in fact, may be cooling again, it's Global Climate Change.
Someone remind me ...
What does that mean?
What is the ideal climate for Earth?
Is it better for our climate to be warmer or cooler?
Sucks that it is shaping up to be another cold winter and MannyIsGod isn't around to get mad about it.
I think Manny got tired of losing debates with me.
hate winter
So to I. We need lots of snow in the mountains to keep our freshwater flowing, I just hope it stays there this year.
it got cold this weeks but we'll just ignore the other 51 weeks and it froze on the great lakes but we won't consider the other 190 million square miles.
ffs, doing the same thing over and over again like you guys do every winter is not insanity like Einstein said. It's OCD and stupid.
In case you've not heard, actual observations have not agreed with the Global War...er Climate Change alarmists.
ffs, doing the same thing over and over again like you guys do every winter is not insanity like Einstein said. It's OCD and stupid.
Hot -- climate change
Cold -- climate change
Wet -- climate change
Dry -- climate change
Increasing sea ice -- climate change
Decreasing sea ice -- climate change
More hurricanes -- climate change
Fewer hurricanes-- climate change
No change in global temps in 20 years -- climate change
So, no matter what weather, average temperature, or climate does, it's climate change
Please present something that is not from one of your GWPC blogs to prove that then.
You pick one - every set of data confirms the IPCC climate models have failed to predict temperature, spectacularly.
Something like that should be easy to demonstrate. It's your assertion prove it.
You're not worth the effort, Fuzzy. I post proof, you claim the source isn't credible. The problem with that is, the sources you would deem credible either don't report on this or just plain lie about it.
You posted a source saying the great lakes are freezing. I didn't say that wasn't credible.
And the sources I cite on climate change are from the peer review process and always have been. If you want to believe that the temperature record won't reflect data from this then
Yes
Would you accept something from a Koch or similarly funded organization?
Good for you, the first step in solving any problem is admitting there is one.
So, there's a pee-reviewed paper that shows the IPCC climate models are proving out?And the sources I cite on climate change are from the peer review process and always have been. If you want to believe that the temperature record won't reflect data from this then
I thought we were at least ten years beyond the point where anyone could say, "It's cold, so much for Global Warming" and feel like a real smarty...
I never said that it wasn't cold now. Your problem is you still haven't addressed the nature of how climate data is ac ulated and analyzed. I'll give you a hint: individual data points are noise.
I don't think you understand the notion of potential error in modeling and I know for a fact that Manny has gone over this with you before. You still have yet to link anything at all proving your assertions that all models have been refuted empirically.
I don't accept testimony from shills that is not peer reviewed. The fossil fuel industry does have some peer reviewed journals. I would accept those.
Pictures don't like but, people do use picture to lie...
DECEPTIONS OF THE CLIMATISTAS
I know this isn't Grinnell Glacier but, since you didn't post the peer-reviewed paper in which this retreating glacier is discussed, I can't draw any conclusions on whether or not the photos are telling the whole story. Does "GlacierHikers.com" have the paper posted along with those photographs?
So, what is the danger with today's climate, Spurminator? When it was Global Warming, we were all going to drown or cook or both. Now that the models and predictions are being proven wrong, what does this pivot to Global Climate Change portend? Do tell.
Where is the lie?
http://scholar.google.com/
You know it's not the glacier he was talking about but it . . .
Can you read?
There were two principal deceptions.
1) Climate alarmists did not show a photo taken in 1951 that showed most of the melting took place before Global Warming supposedly began.
2) Climate alarmists failed to tell you that the photos depicted a small portion of a glacier that had been steadily receding for over 200 years.
Yeah, I know -- it's like playing whack-a-mole with he global climate alarmists. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar explanation for the Grinnell Glacier as well. Polar bears going extinct - debunked. Polar caps melting - debunked. Perhaps someone will get around to debunking this one as well. But, truly, it's all getting pretty tiresome, don't you think. I mean, it appears Manny's even given up in here.
Um, that's the whole ing glacier in my pic son.
I'm living at the foothold of Alps, we're at the end of November and there hasn't been a second of temps below freezing. Last year has been similar. Cold week in mid-December, rest above or around freezing. And ty case of sleet that knocked out electricity to third of a country. So there you go, mr. Mistaking-Weather-for-Climate.
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