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    It applied equally to Dillon Taylor and to Mike Brown.
    That doesn't make it fair or consistent across all Americans. Cops get away with too much too often, and the present system is not able to hold them accountable. As a libertarian, you should be the last person arguing that trigger-happy cops are justified in their behaviour.

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    That doesn't make it fair or consistent across all Americans. Cops get away with too much too often, and the present system is not able to hold them accountable. As a libertarian, you should be the last person arguing that trigger-happy cops are justified in their behaviour.
    If you have noticed, I am one who has complained about trigger happy cops several times. Not in this case however.

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    That doesn't make it fair or consistent across all Americans. Cops get away with too much too often, and the present system is not able to hold them accountable. As a libertarian, you should be the last person arguing that trigger-happy cops are justified in their behaviour.
    there are absolutely cases of excess force, cops being too trigger happy, or just over-reaching their rights. they probably do get away more often than they should when they do commit a wrong

    my beef with all this is, people pretend to care about the overarching issue, but they only show their care when there's a racial angle they can play. they also refuse to accept the possibility than the cop's action might have been justified in a particular case

    i think its crazy by now that there aren't more videos... where was officer wilson's camera? or at least something to pick up an audio recording. but even this isn't foolproof. the dillon taylor case was all caught on camera and he still got off the hook. THAT is the most maddening case of it all, but nobody here even pretends to give a about it, because they can't play the "racial victim" or "oppression" angle

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    It applied equally to Dillon Taylor and to Mike Brown.
    LOL Libertarian

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    6-Year Old Black Kid Plowed Over by Police Car in Crosswalk

    The Club's reaction: "He should have looked both ways."

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    And You put yourselves at "risk" in doing so.
    Ha, right. We were never at risk. No one calls the cops on a bunch of white kids in a nice neighborhood playing guns.

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    Armed robber opens fire, is killed by police

    The Club's reaction: "The system is racist."

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    Ha, right. We were never at risk. No one calls the cops on a bunch of white kids in a nice neighborhood playing guns.
    lol at playing guns in a public park

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    Glad that little hoodlum is gone. The officer was threatened with a firearm, and had every right to defend himself. With all the crooked bull going on out there, it's good to finally hear a good story about the police.

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    Sure, an armed robber and a 12 year old playing with a toy are totally the same.

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    there are absolutely cases of excess force, cops being too trigger happy, or just over-reaching their rights. they probably do get away more often than they should when they do commit a wrong

    my beef with all this is, people pretend to care about the overarching issue, but they only show their care when there's a racial angle they can play. they also refuse to accept the possibility than the cop's action might have been justified in a particular case

    i think its crazy by now that there aren't more videos... where was officer wilson's camera? or at least something to pick up an audio recording. but even this isn't foolproof. the dillon taylor case was all caught on camera and he still got off the hook. THAT is the most maddening case of it all, but nobody here even pretends to give a about it, because they can't play the "racial victim" or "oppression" angle
    I agree with most of what you said. The overarching issue is that cops, who should be held to higher standards, are allowed to get away with shooting people for flimsy reasons. Do they go into the Hamptons or into the offices of well-known corporations to pull this stuff? No, they do this where they feel they can get away with it. That means people who are poorer, who may not understand their rights, who live in areas where crime is high, who don't trust cops anyway.

    Statistically, black people meet those criteria more often on an average. Add in America's racial legacy and it just spirals towards the race topic. If the problem was confronted at its root cause by ins uting severe punitive action on cops, the race aspect wouldn't be raised. But because the justice system and elected officials protect the cops, the outcome is always going to be difficult to stomach for minorities.

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    lol at playing guns in a public park
    LOL at you thinking a kid being dumb deserves to get offed. Hope your kid never does anything stupid.

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    LOL at you thinking a kid being dumb deserves to get offed. Hope your kid never does anything stupid.
    i wouldnt leave my 12 year old kid unsupervised in a public park with a toy gun after removing the orange safety cap

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    Why the would you point a fake gun without it orange safety tip at somebody in the first place? More so at a ing police officer.

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    Also, if the general rule is that any kid that reaches for a toy gun in front of a cop deserves to get shot, then kids with disabilities are well and truly screwed. What if a kid is deaf and unable to hear a cop's orders? What if a kid is autistic and behaves abnormally? Any society where a kid can be killed for being dumb or disabled needs to take a hard look at where its heading. And this is not a hypothetical point. No other industrialised country from Canada to the UK to Germany to the Scandinavian countries has seen repeated incidents of this sort.

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    i wouldnt leave my 12 year old kid unsupervised in a public park with a toy gun after removing the orange safety cap
    12 years old is around the age where you start letting them out in the neighborhood on their own, especially boys. he could remove the tip after you tell him not to, or if you refuse to buy him a toy gun he could probably pretty easily borrow one off a friend.

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    12 years old is around the age where you start letting them out in the neighborhood on their own, especially boys. he could remove the tip after you tell him not to, or if you refuse to buy him a toy gun he could probably pretty easily borrow one off a friend.
    thank you for telling me what i will do with my future son when he is 12 years old

    when do you think his curfew should be at age 15 while we're talking?

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    Also, if the general rule is that any kid that reaches for a toy gun in front of a cop deserves to get shot, then kids with disabilities are well and truly screwed. What if a kid is deaf and unable to hear a cop's orders? What if a kid is autistic and behaves abnormally? Any society where a kid can be killed for being dumb or disabled needs to take a hard look at where its heading. And this is not a hypothetical point. No other industrialised country from Canada to the UK to Germany to the Scandinavian countries has seen repeated incidents of this sort.
    why is this limited to a child? what if an adult with a gun is deaf or is autistic and behaves abnormally. is he not a threat?

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    I still haven't seen anyone explain why the cops had to pull up so close to the kid. Why didn't they address him from a distance where the risk was lower that he could fire upon them? There's no time at that range to make ANY decisions. Cops are more cautious when they pull over a speeding motorist than these guys were.

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    thank you for telling me what i will do with my future son when he is 12 years old

    when do you think his curfew should be at age 15 while we're talking?
    thats right, stray from the topic.

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    I still haven't seen anyone explain why the cops had to pull up so close to the kid. Why didn't they address him from a distance where the risk was lower that he could fire upon them? There's no time at that range to make ANY decisions. Cops are more cautious when they pull over a speeding motorist than these guys were.
    this is a more valid criticism. if they felt he was dangerous, they should have kept more distance.

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    thats right, stray from the topic.
    lol, your previous post was instructing me of what my kid will be doing at age 12. when i correct you, i'm straying from the topic.

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    why is this limited to a child? what if an adult with a gun is deaf or is autistic and behaves abnormally. is he not a threat?
    Everything is possible, the question is about the likelihood. When Grandma reaches inside her bag in a Walmart, its possible that she might pull out a gun or a grenade. But its likely that she's doing something far more mundane. A child at a park aimlessly wandering around with a "gun" - how likely is it that he's been waiting for cops to show up so that he can fire at them? Its a lot more likely that its a toy, and that he means no harm.

    Cops use judgement, that's part of their job. If they start shooting because they are afraid of improbable scenarios turning out to be true, they should look for a different job.

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    lol, your previous post was instructing me of what my kid will be doing at age 12. when i correct you, i'm straying from the topic.
    i didnt instruct you to do anything actually.....just pointing out to you that a kid doesnt always follow every single rule their parent tells them......ie, the orange tip on the gun......

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    Everything is possible, the question is about the likelihood. When Grandma reaches inside her bag in a Walmart, its possible that she might pull out a gun or a grenade. But its likely that she's doing something far more mundane. A child at a park aimlessly wandering around with a "gun" - how likely is it that he's been waiting for cops to show up so that he can fire at them? Its a lot more likely that its a toy, and that he means no harm.

    Cops use judgement, that's part of their job. If they start shooting because they are afraid of improbable scenarios turning out to be true, they should look for a different job.
    when a cop is specifically called to a scene because of a gun scare...

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