i'm not sure how people can say _irk was better than stevie. nash has the advantage in mvps (2-1), owned dirk head to head in his prime and is on the all-decade 1st team while dirk is on the 2nd. not to mention 4 time 50-40-90 compared to dirk doing it once.
How many finals did Nash lead his team in compared to Dirk?
Sorry son, I tired those mav s long time ago.
Son have you lost your damn mind?
When they were both in their primes, you could make the argument that Nash was better. But Dirk has a superior body of work for a longer period of time.
Is OP crazy?
Dirk is the 4th/5th best player post Jordan.
1. Duncan
2. Shaq
3. Lebron
4/5. Dirk/Garnett
Who you kidding? Kobe is better than Dirk & Garnett.
NBA Championships: Dirk: 1 Nash: 0
Finals MVP: Dirk: 1 Nash: 0
Finals appearances: Dirk: 2 Nash: 0
Lol... these s try hard to knock Kobe down. Just keep chasing Jeffrey down, Kobe.
I argued Nash's value on these boards more than anyone. With his shooting percentages, ability to improvise, and vision and passing, since Jordan you may not have a better player to orchestrate getting the ball in the hoop efficiently. Many of his flaws were as much flaws of D'Antoni, where the system was built for speed and beauty, but the playoffs aren't a Formula One track. They had no ability to cope with the rugged, physical style of the playoffs.
He was limited beyond holding the ball, being practically useless without it in his hands. His shot was mediocre in spot up, he was too old/fragile to move without the ball, and he had below average rebounding and well below average defense. While much of this could have been hidden by better scheme (see Gentry 2010), for his prime years, his ceiling was always stunted.
I've seen a lot of Dirk, but not enough to claim I'm an authority on him, but where this likely is decided isn't Finals appearances or les, but that historically, and much more recently, if your best player is a sub-6-4 guard, you're ceiling is nowhere near the levels of teams whose best player is 6-10 or better.
Give Nash Jason Kidds body and he likely is the best PG since Magic. Give Nash Magic height and he might be the greatest PG ever.
But he wasn't 6-4, 6-9, or 7-0. He was 6-2 with a degenerative back condition on a team whose frontcourt superstar was always injured and a knucklehead, playing for a coach who emphasized some important things at the expense of the most important things.
Give that 2007 team Gentry, and who knows.
But that's way to many "What Ifs" for any actual justification of Nash's career being labeled better than Dirk's. Not when both were All-NBAers and MVPs.
The le thing is overrated as an argument. Payton and Kidd coattailing late doesn't all of a sudden elevate them over Stockton.
But even without les, Nash's prime was too short when compared with Dirk's, and while his peak may have been equal, if not better, the nature of the game and skillsets, you take the athletic 7-footer with elite guard skills than a hobbled, aged PG with elite PG skills.
No, a role player is not better than two franchise stars.
Good post, tbh..
While I would definitely take Nowitzki over Nash, I have noticed that Nash has become underrated due to the controversy of his MVPs(as much as I dislike him), tbh..
Overall, as a player, he was easily better than Kidd or Payton, but gets downplayed due to NBA fan's overrating of "2-way" ability, along with the controversial MVP voting..while being White helps him avoid criticism for controversial off-court issues, I find it interesting that his game and on-court reputation hasn't been inflated by being White, unlike somebody like Larry Bird..
From the 90s-Present, the only PG I'd take over him is Stockton, and I'd consider Chris Paul, too(Curry, as well, if he maintains this pace for a few more years)..
How is 2 way overrated?
It's overrated when people assume that a 2-way player automatically has more impact than an elite offensive player..
I've seen people argue that Klay Thompson > Harden this year, for example, because Thompson plays both ways, and Harden doesn't, which is ignoring that Harden's offensive impact is much greater than the former's "2-way" impact..
It's like saying Elton Brand > prime Dirk, for example..
Good point tbh
But the problem is that Nash is such a defensive liability that Enrique tore his ass up several times in the playoffs.
Team defense starts with the backcourt, so the impact of his ty D was huge during the playoffs
I wouldn't consider Garnett as a franchise player tbh. He needed too many pieces for them to contend.
Dirk on the other hand, not so much. Dirk just like Duncan has adapted to new teams and systems over the years (he went from Finley/Nash to Terry/Howard to Kidd/Marion to Ellis/Parsons).
He was called a choker before he rang despite wining 50+ games every season.
In addition, PG defense is overrated, as much of a PGs ability to keep his man out of the lane stems from the defensive scheme and overall quality of NBA defensive big man behind. Give Prime Nash Prime Camby and more guards are pulling up for contested Js than are getting into the lane.
Magic wasn't a very good defender, but he had Kareem behind him to alter shots.
Not sure how well Peak KJ does in modern NBA since he was a mediocre 3-point shooter, but I'd still take pre-Knee Injury Kevin Johnson over Nash, but I watched two-way Kidd never lead the Suns out of the 1st Round year after year, and I watched only-offense Nash lead a team of waiver-bait Bell, youngster Barbosa, trade-bait Jones, waiver-bait House, waiver-bait Thomas, trade-bait Diaw, and All-Star Marion to game 6 of the WCF in a tough Western Conference.
Without the ty East, Kidd would likely go down as the most disappointing PG of the last 25 years. He got fortunate he got to playoff pad his résumé on sub-50-win eastern conference playoff fodder.
Say what you want of Nash, his 4 WCF appearances always meant more to me than Kidd's Finals appearances. Least ways his Nets appearances.
Nash always quit then,,,Kidd did not.
Steve Trash tbh.
just kidding, but putting him over dirk is going full re .
2way player > elite offensive player in any playoff game tbh
Both great players, but if I had to choose who to build around, I'd build around Dirk over Nash.
No, I dont think PG defense is overrated
If you have a human turnstile like Nash, it forces the big man to commit and leave his man open
And its not like Nash had Kareem in his team anyway
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