12 year old tamir rice shot dead by cleveland police

[The Reckoning]

lol idiots thought they could shut down I-35

[spurraider21]

Sup mouse

[DMC]

You just answered your own question. It's not the civilian's job to go up and question the kid if he's waving a gun around at the moment. He's not trained or equipped to handle the situation if the kid is crazy so he called the cops. Duh

But it was a toy gun. If you're concerned about a toy gun, why not go ask the 12 year old to stop pointing toy guns at people?

I have the convenience of common sense. And if I'm responding to a call of someone waving a gun around I'm not going to just roll up on him in a haphazard manner and hope for the best. And if my partner makes that dumbass suggestion with me in the passenger seat facing the supposed gunman I'm going to tell him to find another way where I have some in cover in case the kid comes up blasting. These cops were idiots, bottom line.

But it was a toy gun, so what's the problem with being that close?

[DMC]

A trained cop should know tbh

The guns are made to fool the eye, thus their reputation for being replicas, not toys. If it had the orange tip on it, that would have been a "dead" giveaway.

[DMC]

Airsoft vs real... without orange tip would be impossible to tell from any distance in just a few seconds.

[lefty]

Airsoft vs real... without orange tip would be impossible to tell from any distance in just a few seconds.

Yeah close enough tbh

[hitmanyr2k]

But it was a toy gun. If you're concerned about a toy gun, why not go ask the 12 year old to stop pointing toy guns at people?

The guy who called in said it's probably a fake but he couldn't be sure.

But it was a toy gun, so what's the problem with being that close?

The 911 dispatcher didn't relay the information that it could possibly be a fake gun to the cops so they went in thinking it was a real gun.

[Spurs9]

Airsoft vs real... without orange tip would be impossible to tell from any distance in just a few seconds.

That looks exactly the same to me without the orange tip. Didn't the kids gun not even have a orange tip on it?

[DMC]

The guy who called in said it's probably a fake but he couldn't be sure.

So why didn't he go ask the 12 year old kid if the gun was a fake?

The 911 dispatcher didn't relay the information that it could possibly be a fake gun to the cops so they went in thinking it was a real gun.

All guns could possibly be fake if they haven't been seen to be otherwise. Pretty sure that people who have to routinely put themselves in front of gun wielding people think all guns are real unless proven otherwise. I treat all guns as loaded even if they aren't, that doesn't mean all guns are loaded. What if the gun was real and not loaded, or what if it was real and loaded but the kid wouldn't shoot, or what if the gun was real, loaded and the kid would shoot? How would any of that change the response of the officers who don't have any of that information? Why respond to a kid with a toy gun in the first place?

The answers you use "it was just a toy" don't jive with the "park further away" approach. It's either to be treated as threat or it's not to be treated as a threat.

[hitmanyr2k]

So why didn't he go ask the 12 year old kid if the gun was a fake?

Do you have a comprehension problem? The answer is because he doesn't have to. Let me spell it out for you. The caller thinks the gun may be fake but he doesn't know for sure and he has no obligation to go over and potentially put himself in harm's way to ask the kid if it's a real gun. Christ, how can you not grasp that? And the caller has nothing to do with the stupidity shown by the police anyway.

All guns could possibly be fake if they haven't been seen to be otherwise. Pretty sure that people who have to routinely put themselves in front of gun wielding people think all guns are real unless proven otherwise. I treat all guns as loaded even if they aren't, that doesn't mean all guns are loaded. What if the gun was real and not loaded, or what if it was real and loaded but the kid weouldn't shoot, or what if the gun was real, loaded and the kid would shoot? How would any of that change the response of the officers who don't have any of that information? Why respond to a kid with a toy gun in the first place?

The answers you use "it was just a toy" don't jive with the "park further away" approach. It's either to be treated as threat or it's not to be treated as a threat.

I don't know what the you're rambling about All of this "what if" crap you just typed still doesn't excuse how the police approached the kid. There was nothing cautious about the way they did it and it ended in one of the officers being put in a position where he had to make a split second reaction to shoot a kid when it could have been avoided.

[Chinook]

The fundamental issue here is why are blacks to stupid too realize that they're in the face of an authoritative figure and that they need to comply?

This is such a huge issue, it's not even funny. It's absurd how many people throw their lives away just to conform to some idea of pride. Can't understand it myself. Clearly, black leaders know they can use the media to incite outrage over perceived injustice. Surely, it makes sense to urge more people to film police and post things to Twitter and Vine than it does to march and protest and .

Trayvon Martin.

Eh, he doesn't belong with the rest. Zimmerman was just some chode with a gun. Martin had no reason to comply with him. He threw his life away by escalating the conflict instead of continuing to leave, but that's not the same thing as assaulting a police officer.

[Malik Hairston]

Ya, I don't know why the Trayvon Martin case is included with the rest..a community watch, fake cop, wannabe tough guy is supposed to be an authority figure?..

[Bigzax]

Now you go take this gun....go wave it around at the park...you have fun, and ill see you for suppa!

[DMC]

Do you have a comprehension problem? The answer is because he doesn't have to. Let me spell it out for you. The caller thinks the gun may be fake but he doesn't know for sure and he has no obligation to go over and potentially put himself in harm's way to ask the kid if it's a real gun. Christ, how can you not grasp that? And the caller has nothing to do with the stupidity shown by the police anyway.

You've illustrated that you understand the difference between knowing a person has a toy gun and not knowing a person has a toy gun, that it's in our best interest to act as if the gun isn't a toy until we know that it is. In fact, the only reason you know it was a toy is because you were told, after the fact, that it was a toy. Until the cops pulled it from his hand, where ever, the gun was, for all intents and purposes a real one. So then it wasn't just a 12 year old with a toy gun who was gunned down by racist cops with a burning desire to shoot someone.

Potentially putting yourself in harms way is what police officers do, and as such they have to treat a potential situation like a potential situation. When you see a gun being drawn, you have to react quickly else you could potentially die. I wouldn't want a partner who waited to see if the gun was real before responding.

I don't know what the you're rambling about All of this "what if" crap you just typed still doesn't excuse how the police approached the kid. There was nothing cautious about the way they did it and it ended in one of the officers being put in a position where he had to make a split second reaction to shoot a kid when it could have been avoided.

Why does it matter how they approached the kid? If you're saying the kid was potentially dangerous, then they did not overreact. If you're saying the kid wasn't dangerous, then they didn't pull too close. They obviously didn't see a gun, just a person standing there. They pull up and the kid pulls the gun. Simple as that. If it goes before a grand jury, you'll see (again) how simple it was. George Zimmerman, Officer Wilson and now this cop, all acted within reason, all could have avoided the situation but didn't. It's amazing how half- ed a bunch of you go off on these things with your front porch opinions with nary an ounce of understanding of police procedures or law, just hindsight. You're always proven wrong, and you guys feel offended by it.

Now do the bullet point response defense. I dare you.

[DMC]

That looks exactly the same to me without the orange tip. Didn't the kids gun not even have a orange tip on it?

It didn't have an orange tip, for a reason. There's nothing cool about carrying around a gun that's obviously not real.

[exstatic]

I gotta say, at least this kid got a few seconds to react before he was put down. The other incident that happened a couple of months back when cops shot a man holding a bb gun inside Walmart (he'd picked it up from the store itself) didn't get any warning before he became target practice for the cops. And no, they didn't get indicted either:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...e_charged.html

So I don't know what y'all are whining about. Cops are always right, accept it and move on.

The irony is that Ohio is an OPEN CARRY state. They're both en led to have REAL weapons and carry them openly, except apparently because they're black.

[exstatic]

The fundamental issue here is why are blacks to stupid too realize that they're in the face of an authoritative figure and that they need to comply?

The fundamental issue is that only black people are treated like that. Give me a shout the next time they even shoot some white person WITH justification (Cliven Bundy, I'm talking to you) let alone with 2 seconds notice and a fake gun.

[lefty]

The irony is that Ohio is an OPEN CARRY state. They're both en led to have REAL weapons and carry them openly, except apparently because they're black.

Which makes that cop a murderer

[DMC]

The irony is that Ohio is an OPEN CARRY state. They're both en led to have REAL weapons and carry them openly, except apparently because they're black.

Not open carry for minors and having a gun in your waistband isn't "open carry". You still have to have a license to conceal. Regardless, cops often respond to handgun reports, open carry or not, because open carry is uncommon in heavily populated areas.

[MultiTroll]

Not open carry for minors and having a gun in your waistband isn't "open carry". You still have to have a license to conceal. Regardless, cops often respond to handgun reports, open carry or not, because open carry is uncommon in heavily populated areas.

Exactly.
If it would have been a real gun and thug wanna be killed someone, there would be all kinds of ing about how the cops didn't act fast enough.

[Chomag]

Exactly.
If it would have been a real gun and thug wanna be killed someone, there would be all kinds of ing about how the cops didn't act fast enough.

Pretty much this. You just cant win. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

[Creepn]

What other resorts are there when someone is pulling a gun on you? Scream louder? Run? Cry? Shoot into the sky? Freeze time? The mistrust between black youth and cops is fueled in part by the bias people like you put onto every confrontation, painting all cops as racist trigger happy militants. So I hope you feel good about being part of the reason a 12 year old decided pulling out a fake gun against a real one was a good idea. da police, right?

First of all, I didn't see the kid pull out a gun at them. And yes, some of the resorts you posted are very good resorts. I seen cops shoot the sky to scare the perp and some scream loud multiple times to get them to comply. Of course the perps were white but nonetheless, I seen't it! Killing someone is a LAST resort. Did you see cops use the gun as a last resort? Nah, they were trigger happy. No doubt about it. What if the kid was deaf? What if he had some mental propblem? If these scared white pussy cops are too chicken to go through the proper protocols to de-escalate the situation, then they need to apply for another job.

I'm still laughing at how you are blaming black people for distrust in the police. It's OBVIOUS racial bias plays a huge role in how blacks are dealt with and you are the problem by enabling these type of sitautions. No wonder you are athiest, the you type is pretty damn evil and you know it lol.

[MultiTroll]

First of all, I didn't see the kid pull out a gun at them. What if he had some mental propblem? If these scared white pussy cops are too chicken to go through the proper protocols to de-escalate the situation, then they need to apply for another job.

What exactly were the protocols Knowz it All?
Roll up on a kid in a public park flashing a gun and acting thug wanna be.

[Koolaid_Man]

First of all, I didn't see the kid pull out a gun at them. And yes, some of the resorts you posted are very good resorts. I seen cops shoot the sky to scare the perp and some scream loud multiple times to get them to comply. Of course the perps were white but nonetheless, I seen't it! Killing someone is a LAST resort. Did you see cops use the gun as a last resort? Nah, they were trigger happy. No doubt about it. What if the kid was deaf? What if he had some mental propblem? If these scared white pussy cops are too chicken to go through the proper protocols to de-escalate the situation, then they need to apply for another job.

I'm still laughing at how you are blaming black people for distrust in the police. It's OBVIOUS racial bias plays a huge role in how blacks are dealt with and you are the problem by enabling these type of sitautions. No wonder you are athiest, the you type is pretty damn evil and you know it lol.

^ this...DMC has a got a bad heart and he's well aware....but don't worry karma always finds a way to catch up to people like him

[TheSanityAnnex]

The irony is that Ohio is an OPEN CARRY state. They're both en led to have REAL weapons and carry them openly, except apparently because they're black.

A 12 year old can not open carry. Smh.
A gun tucked inside a waistband is not open carry. Smh.