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Feeling all spiffy since you're now 4 and a bunch?
Bend over. I'll give it to you in the in' back door.
Feeling all spiffy since you're now 4 and a bunch?
Nash plays worse D than Dirk. And point guard defense is huge. It's the difference between disrupting a teams offense or not.
Steve was a bad one on one defender, but had solid team defense and positioning, knew how to funnel opposing players into his bigman (when he had one), and was great at taking a charge.
After 2010, we wasted 2-3 years and the rest of Nash's career on the worst "reload" around a star player I have ever seen....
Nash's team defense was arguable worse than his man defense. He just floats around with no purpose.
Seriously. Suns fans use the unquantifiable team defense bull to make him sound better than he was
Nash is underrated by some overrated by more better career resume than Paul but Dirk is clearly the greater player. Dirk has a case over KG, in conversation as 2nd best of of his era top 5 pf all-time. Only top 5 Nash is in is goat shooter conversation.
Garnett is in no way better than Dirk...not even a damn question. You're talking about a guy that was considered the sole star of his team and had one of the best comeback stories ever. the mavs btw, have to get that out there. But went to the finals in 06, lost possibly due to Wade getting Harden treatment on steroids. Go 0-6 or something to start the next season, still finish with one of the all time team records. Lose in the 1st round. I can't imagine the type of pressure or humiliation someone faces in that situation. Trade for Kidd, up for a couple of years. Come back with some proper moves (credit to Cuban for always trying to improve), and goes inhuman in the post season, taking down the team that ed him over--- only now competing against a far more talented team boasting the best player on the planet , all while carrying most of the weight on his shoulders. That is legendary.
KG was a perennial loser that teamed up with a prime allen, pierce, and one of the best defensive conglomerates ever. I have no idea what you are smoking...its not even a question that Dirk >>>>> KG
For all time PGs:
Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd?
There's no comparison. Use any metric you want, the eye-test, whatever, and it will show that Dirk is a tier above Nash.
Dirk is the most underrated superstar of the post-Jordan generation and, all things considered, is no doubt a top 15 player of all-time. Detractors will cite his (lack of) defense, but when you examine his RAPM, Dirk was never a defensive liability. He just wasn't dominant defensively, like Duncan, Garnett, Wallace, Sheed, etc. Nash, on the other hand, was typically a -2.0 to -3.0 defensively throughout his career. A pretty awful mark.
That's not to say Nash wasn't a great player. If he could play defense, he'd easily be the best PG since Magic, but unfortunately that's not the case.
I appreciate all that ...so you agree he has a case over KG? I think when this was debated a year or two back I was leaning KG but after watching Dirk for 82 games since 2009 ...I think I'm squarely in Dirk's corner. That being said (not just at you) I hate when people act like a good debate question is so one sided because you are on said side. I won't respond to all (since I agree it's Dirk) but without Tyson and RC all Dirk playoffs ended in bitter losses or flameouts. Yes KG needed the Big 3 but Dirk needed career years from plenty of guys to ring.
All good points but you can say that to any all time great. Duncan needing pop, drob, big 3. Lebron going to Miami. Jordan and his Pippen. Shaq with Phil and Kobe to each other etc2..
But the point stands that Dirk carried that team to a ring as the clear cut alpha, #1 like what an all time great would do. Now for KG, he wasn't the clear #1 option, heck his defense was overrated due to the fact that that celtics team was so stacked on defense.
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