OT: Poster Wars, midnightpulp vs Kool

[DMC]

Like what?

When I tell you ancient Germanics were a bunch of barbaric monkeys on the level of people you consider "subhumans," that's not discussing something that is over my head, it's simply do ented fact.

Same thing with your laughable understanding of genetics.

Just trying to help, brother.

Based on what I've read here, only a couple people here actually have any real understanding of genetics.

[midnightpulp]

Based on what I've read here, only a couple people here actually have any real understanding of genetics.

I'm no expert myself, and even scientists don't have any real understanding since the field is beyond complex (especially now with epigenetics influencing yet another paradigm shift), but I do wish laymen would at least have an elementary understanding that doesn't let them be misguided by click-bait pop science articles that claim China has found the "intelligence gene" and is on the fast path to engineering 200 IQ super babies that will take over the world in 20 years and other such similar tripe, like claims of there being a gene that determines whether or not you read the paper while taking a .

[Koolaid_Man]

I used to think mid was a troll when he was ting on laker fans, but dude has a vast amount of NBA knowledge.

Vast NBA knowledge?...you ing clowns are an endless source of comedy gold.... Mid knows what he finds on the NBA stats websites... that's available to anyone....when mid starts talking about the X's and O's of how to play the game when he really understands the difference between the pinch and high post offense...running plays at the elbows or when he can talk to me about defensive schemes designed to stop effective wing players then we can have this conversation about what he knows...he can't talk about those things because he's never played the game on ANY level. All he can do is pull up stat generator's...Dude is weak and unimpressive....there's only one guy here that can actually speak basketball as if he was a coach and it's LakaLuva...I dare mid to go up against Luva from an X's and O's standpoint and if Mid tries to copy from the internet like he does it will show....Luva is the real basketball guru... tbh

[midnightpulp]

Vast NBA knowledge?...you ing clowns are an endless source of comedy gold.... Mid knows what he finds on the NBA stats websites... that's available to anyone....when mid starts talking about the X's and O's of how to play the game when he really understands the difference between the pinch and high post offense...running plays at the elbows or when he can talk to me about defensive schemes designed to stop effective wing players then we can have this conversation about what he knows...he can't talk about those things because he's never played the game on ANY level. All he can do is pull up stat generator's...Dude is weak and unimpressive....there's only one guy here that can actually speak basketball as if he was a coach and it's LakaLuva...I dare mid to go up against Luva from an X's and O's standpoint and if Mid tries to copy from the internet like he does it will show....Luva is the real basketball guru... tbh

acting like X's and O's are difficult to understand.

[Koolaid_Man]

acting like X's and O's are difficult to understand.

admitting that I'm right...Mr. Stat stealer poser

[midnightpulp]

admitting that I'm right...Mr. Stat stealer poser

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Parroting the offense and defensive schemes you learned on your high school team doesn't betray any kind of advanced basketball knowledge.

Everyone who's played knows what HORNS, a UCLA cut, the Triangle offense, a Give and Go, a Box + 1, 2-3 Zone, etc are.

The reason advanced stats are discussed so much on here is because their predictive power is much better than your traditional "per game" stats and are revolutionizing how teams build rosters.

The reason your Lakers are dragging their ass at the bottom of the conference is because they still think we're in the 1980's. I don't think they've even been to a Sloan Conference.

[Koolaid_Man]

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Parroting the offense and defensive schemes you learned on your high school team doesn't betray any kind of advanced basketball knowledge.

Everyone who's played knows what HORNS, a UCLA cut, the Triangle offense, a Give and Go, a Box + 1, 2-3 Zone, etc are.

The reason advanced stats are discussed so much on here is because their predictive power is much better than your traditional "per game" stats and are revolutionizing how teams build rosters.

The reason your Lakers are dragging their ass at the bottom of the conference is because they still think we're in the 1980's. I don't think they've even been to a Sloan Conference.

Face Palm..where is Luva when I need him...listen dip ...parroting stats you stole off-line portrays even less of any kind of advanced basketball knowledge as opposed to knowledge of the game you learned while actually playing....don't get mad at me because I just exposed your fat couch potato ass....Luva and I know all about your kind....

[midnightpulp]

Face Palm..where is Luva when I need him...listen dip ...parroting stats you stole off-line portrays even less of any kind of advanced basketball knowledge as opposed to knowledge of the game you learned while actually playing....don't get mad at me because I just exposed your fat couch potato ass....Luva and I know all about your kind....

Anyone who proclaims to have "knowledge of the game" wouldn't still be stuck using per game stats in 2014.

Okay, here's an easy X's and O's question that has nothing to do with analytics: Why are the Spurs a historically mediocre offensive rebounding team in the Popovich Era?

[Koolaid_Man]

Anyone who proclaims to have "knowledge of the game" wouldn't still be stuck using per game stats in 2014.

Okay, here's an easy X's and O's question that has nothing to do with analytics: Why are the Spurs a historically mediocre offensive rebounding team in the Popovich Era?

ok Einstein...and LOL as if I follow Spurs basketball...maybe it's a philosophy that Pop teaches I don't know all I can speak on is the basics of basketball in general...let me educate you for a sec....while it's good to be balanced most teams don't emphasize offensive rebounding simply because it's possible to hurt yourself in transition D. Depending on how your team is constructed....typically if you have the bigs they can crash the offensive glass along with a wing player on the baseline weak side......if the other team has speed and good passing....along with great defensive players then you're ed if your team philosophy is offensive glass...for example a team like golden state shouldn't be worried about offensive glass since they shoot at a high % if they get a rebound from their center then fine but that shouldn't be their MO....besides I don't think they have the personnel to be great offensive rebounding team anyways....I could on and on their are other reasons just naming a few...

holla at me once your done with your research

[midnightpulp]

ok Einstein...and LOL as if I follow Spurs basketball...maybe it's a philosophy that Pop teaches I don't know all I can speak on is the basics of basketball in general...let me educate you for a sec....while it's good to be balanced most teams don't emphasize offensive rebounding simply because it's possible to hurt yourself in transition D. Depending on how your team is constructed....typically if you have the bigs they can crash the offensive glass along with a wing player on the baseline weak side......if the other team has speed and good passing....along with great defensive players then you're ed if your team philosophy is offensive glass...for example a team like golden state shouldn't be worried about offensive glass since they shoot at a high % if they get a rebound from their center then fine but that shouldn't be their MO....besides I don't think they have the personnel to be great offensive rebounding team anyways....I could on and on their are other reasons just naming a few...

holla at me once your done with your research

Correct.

And this is what I mean when I say X's and O's are largely commonsense now and don't really require any advanced understanding of anything to comprehend. Spurs run pretty simple offensive schemes, but it's so effective because it's precisely executed (most of the time).

X's and O's in basketball have pretty much been "solved." We know spacing is a good thing. We know long 2's are not a high quality shot. We know the zone defense can be countered with good outside shooting, sharp side-to-side passing, and/or drive-and-kick penetration. I could go on.

Now we're onto analytics, which are helping us determine player value more accurately. For instance they reveal that Kobe has been a net negative on the defensive end for the last 10 years, which goes against the common perception of him being this lockdown defensive player. Armed with this knowledge, coaches can now shift a player like Kobe to guarding their weakest perimeter player, which Jackson, Brown, D'Antoni, and now Scott did/have been doing.

Don't fret, though. According to the most cutting edge data, Kobe is still a top 20 player of all-time

[Koolaid_Man]

Correct.

And this is what I mean when I say X's and O's are largely commonsense now and don't really require any advanced understanding of anything to comprehend. Spurs run pretty simple offensive schemes, but it's so effective because it's precisely executed (most of the time).

X's and O's in basketball have pretty much been "solved." We know spacing is a good thing. We know long 2's are not a high quality shot. We know the zone defense can be countered with good outside shooting, sharp side-to-side passing, and/or drive-and-kick penetration. I could go on.

Now we're onto analytics, which are helping us determine player value more accurately. For instance they reveal that Kobe has been a net negative on the defensive end for the last 10 years, which goes against the common perception of him being this lockdown defensive player. Armed with this knowledge, coaches can now shift a player like Kobe to guarding their weakest perimeter player, which Jackson, Brown, D'Antoni, and now Scott did/have been doing.

Don't fret, though. According to the most cutting edge data, Kobe is still a top 20 player of all-time

Lol. No they're not common sense. You had no idea about what i just told you and X's and O's can really get complicated. Stats viewing is what's easy. It requires no real analysis of the game and it explains why you live by them without understanding the real dynamics of the game. For example.....why do I say Kobe is better than Duncan athletically and stat wise....and why is Kobes scoring more impressive than MJs even though MJ did it in less seasons? Simple, because Tim and MJ never had to share the ball. They never had to play with a ball dominate Big like Shaq and still be at the top.

That is why stats cant truly be measured....no matter who we're discussing. Stats cant see those intangibles and so they get diluted. Tim as first option has inferior stats to Kobe as 2nd option. MJ ran the Bulls uncontested whereas Kobe was forced to share his cookies.....and yes Kobe proved he could win les without Shaq so let me kill that discredited argument before you lames bring it up.

[midnightpulp]

Lol. No they're not common sense. You had no idea about what i just told you and X's and O's can really get complicated. Stats viewing is what's easy. It requires no real analysis of the game and it explains why you live by them without understanding the real dynamics of the game. For example.....why do I say Kobe is better than Duncan athletically and stat wise....and why is Kobes scoring more impressive than MJs even though MJ did it in less seasons? Simple, because Tim and MJ never had to share the ball. They never had to play with a ball dominate Big like Shaq and still be at the top.

That is why stats cant truly be measured....no matter who we're discussing. Stats cant see those intangibles and so they get diluted. Tim as first option has inferior stats to Kobe as 2nd option. MJ ran the Bulls uncontested whereas Kobe was forced to share his cookies.....and yes Kobe proved he could win les without Shaq so let me kill that discredited argument before you lames bring it up.

Your approach to the game is antiquated, Kool, sorry to say.

Simple, because Tim and MJ never had to share the ball. They never had to play with a ball dominate Big like Shaq and still be at the top.

What kind of argument is this? You do realize that Shaq and Kobe were the only legitimate offensive options on those le teams, the rest of roster being filled out with blue collar role players (Fish, Fox, Horry)? Kobe got plenty of touches alongside Shaq, nearly identical to what he got when he was playing with Gasol and Odom.

Tim as first option has inferior stats to Kobe as 2nd option.

Why do you keep regurgitating this nonsense? Is PPG all you look at?

Stats cant see those intangibles and so they get diluted.

For a guy who champions "intangibles," you sure focus on PPG a lot, which is like the least "intangible" related stat there is. The primary reason I have Duncan over Kobe is because of the intangible. A great big man will always affect the game in more ways than a great wing.

[scanry]

^ Mid, you're wasting your time with Cedric. While Duncan's anchoring the defense and giving the reigns to Kawhi (he's still putting up 14/10 and shooting 50% btw), Kobe's ego is too busy chucking the Lakers to lottery.

As bad as DK was as a wizard, they still won 38-40 games. These Lakers would be lucky to win 20 games tbh. BTW let's see how long this Kobe Johnson will last before he starts chucking. I give him 2-3 games tops.

[Buddy Mignon]

^ Mid, you're wasting your time with Cedric. While Duncan's anchoring the defense and giving the reigns to Kawhi (he's still putting up 14/10 and shooting 50% btw), Kobe's ego is too busy chucking the Lakers to lottery.

As bad as DK was as a wizard, they still won 38-40 games. These Lakers would be lucky to win 20 games tbh. BTW let's see how long this Kobe Johnson will last before he starts chucking. I give him 2-3 games tops.

Jim does not shoot 50%, you jackass. He's currently at 48% and will drop further as the season goes on. Duncan is not anchoring ... the Spurs do a great job at forcing teams to shoot long jump shots. They have a great system in place and a coach that forces players to buy in, or hit the bricks. Their defense has nothing to do with Jim at all, which is why when any of their leading three players miss a game they don't miss a beat.

Also, Jim shoots at a lesser clip than Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, and even D. Rob. The has been basically been carried for the last 10 years of his career.

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As bad as DK was as a wizard, they still won 38-40 games.

That's the rumor. Hard to find video evidence.

[Koolaid_Man]

Your approach to the game is antiquated, Kool, sorry to say.



What kind of argument is this? You do realize that Shaq and Kobe were the only legitimate offensive options on those le teams, the rest of roster being filled out with blue collar role players (Fish, Fox, Horry)? Kobe got plenty of touches alongside Shaq, nearly identical to what he got when he was playing with Gasol and Odom.



Why do you keep regurgitating this nonsense? Is PPG all you look at?



For a guy who champions "intangibles," you sure focus on PPG a lot, which is like the least "intangible" related stat there is. The primary reason I have Duncan over Kobe is because of the intangible. A great big man will always affect the game in more ways than a great wing.

Actually my approach is what makes these NBA stars millionaires....not yours....putting up points and being a a great player who's considered unstoppable is an intangible....look at what's happening to Kevin Love...he's exposed now that he's not hiding out in Minny... Fisher, Fox, and Horry took their fair share of shots...in fact didn't Horry say recently that he looked Kobe off in favor of Shaq? Kobe got the same amount of touches as he did while playing with Odom and Gasol because as his 6,000 assists would show he indeed shares the ball ..PPG is always the holy grail in every single sport....it's ALL about PPG....in Hockey it's about scoring the puck....in football it's about touchdowns...in baseball it's about RBI's....in Basketball it's about scoring baskets.... A great big man is indeed more valuable than wing players the problem you have is the 2 most notable exceptions to the rule in MJ and Kobe....

and they say you're better than me....please I just bent you over backwards....

and Scanry.... Cedrique out

[Buddy Mignon]

I used to think mid was a troll when he was ting on laker fans, but dude has a vast amount of NBA knowledge.

Mid is a nerd that sits behind a keyboard quoting advanced stats to make himself feel better because he never had the balls to actually play the game. He may possess the knowledge, but its far from applied... and there's a huge a difference.

[midnightpulp]

Actually my approach is what makes these NBA stars millionaires....not yours....putting up points and being a a great player who's considered unstoppable is an intangible....look at what's happening to Kevin Love...he's exposed now that he's not hiding out in Minny... Fisher, Fox, and Horry took their fair share of shots...in fact didn't Horry say recently that he looked Kobe off in favor of Shaq? Kobe got the same amount of touches as he did while playing with Odom and Gasol because as his 6,000 assists would show he indeed shares the ball ..PPG is always the holy grail in every single sport....it's ALL about PPG....in Hockey it's about scoring the puck....in football it's about touchdowns...in baseball it's about RBI's....in Basketball it's about scoring baskets.... A great big man is indeed more valuable than wing players the problem you have is the 2 most notable exceptions to the rule in MJ and Kobe....

and they say you're better than me....please I just bent you over backwards....

and Scanry.... Cedrique out

Allen Iverson has a higher PPG than Kobe.

Following your logic, A.I.>Kobe.

You know the PPG as a Holy Grail argument is flawed, Kool. Quit fronting.

A great big man is indeed more valuable than wing players the problem you have is the 2 most notable exceptions to the rule in MJ and Kobe....

The stats don't support Kobe in this case.

RAPM is now widely regarded as the best stat that measures player value. FWIW, this is only for the regular season, but you can see that the most successful players (ring wise) of the post Jordan era dominate the top of the list.



Except old Kirby, of course. He's down there with Baron Davis

Time to start considering better stats, Kool. Just like anything else, times change and practical knowledge evolves.

[Koolaid_Man]

Mid is a nerd that sits behind a keyboard quoting advanced stats to make himself feel better because he never had the balls to actually play the game. He may possess the knowledge, but its far from applied... and there's a huge a difference.

ohh it's applied when his gay ass is getting ed shoot a jumper in my ass body me in the paint

[Koolaid_Man]

Allen Iverson has a higher PPG than Kobe.

Following your logic, A.I.>Kobe.

You know the PPG as a Holy Grail argument is flawed, Kool. Quit fronting.



The stats don't support Kobe in this case.

RAPM is now widely regarded as the best stat that measures player value. FWIW, this is only for the regular season, but you can see that the most successful players (ring wise) of the post Jordan era dominate the top of the list.



Except old Kirby, of course. He's down there with Baron Davis

Time to start considering better stats, Kool. Just like anything else, times change and practical knowledge evolves.

where is AI all-time...unless he's at the top of the list it's all for naught.... try again...next time without all the rambling bull

[midnightpulp]

where is AI all-time...unless he's at the top of the list it's all for naught.... try again...next time without all the rambling bull

Nice deflection.

How do you like Kobe being the same value as Baron Davis?

[Leetonidas]

Kool trying to talk about other poster's b-ball knowledge when he literally knows nothing about basketball and consistently has the tiest takes on ST 99% of the time

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Nice deflection.

How do you like Kobe being the same value as Baron Davis?

[midnightpulp]

Mid is a nerd that sits behind a keyboard quoting advanced stats to make himself feel better because he never had the balls to actually play the game. He may possess the knowledge, but its far from applied... and there's a huge a difference.

Then why is there such a high correlation between advanced stats and player/team success?

But it's far from applied

Pretty much every front office and coaching staff in the league is "applying" analytics to their program.

Except the Lakers, of course, who are stuck in the Dark Ages

[Leetonidas]

Mid is a nerd that sits behind a keyboard quoting advanced stats to make himself feel better because he never had the balls to actually play the game. He may possess the knowledge, but its far from applied... and there's a huge a difference.

The only thing you know how to apply is to your anime comics got