Just another aside to make a dollar & a dime. Sooner or later you have to get down to the business of gettin' down. (You) do that. Nobody else does.
Analytics ain't a sham, Cub.
Robert Horry? A guy you side and rep. Analytics confirms his value is higher than bucketheads like Dwight Howard. The per game stats camp would never acknowledge his value because Horry's box score doesn't look "pretty."
Tiago Splitter? A player you "called." Analytics backs him, too.
How about a clown like Jamal Crawford? You probably would cite him as a loser, right?
Well, analytics would confirm that since Crawford is a net negative when he's in the game.
These new stats are just backing up instinct. Their quantifying the "intangible."
Robert Horry? A guy you side and rep. Analytics confirms his value is higher than bucketheads like Dwight Howard. The per game stats camp would never acknowledge his value because Horry's box score doesn't look "pretty."
Tiago Splitter? A player you "called." Analytics backs him, too.
How about a clown like Jamal Crawford? You probably would cite him as a loser, right?
Well, analytics would confirm that since Crawford is a net negative when he's in the game.
These new stats are just backing up instinct. Their quantifying the "intangible."
Pie-in-the-sky because the college guys want in, but, don't want to wait on line like everybody else has been doing for a century. Cheap s.
Jim does not shoot 50%, you jackass. He's currently at 48% and will drop further as the season goes on. Duncan is not anchoring ... the Spurs do a great job at forcing teams to shoot long jump shots. They have a great system in place and a coach that forces players to buy in, or hit the bricks. Their defense has nothing to do with Jim at all, which is why when any of their leading three players miss a game they don't miss a beat.
Also, Jim shoots at a lesser clip than Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, and even D. Rob. The has been basically been carried for the last 10 years of his career.
You're a re if that's what tickles your anime loving ass. I suggest you atleast watch a few Spurs games before you troll Duncan not anchoring the paint. The Spurs have the #1 defense (atleast that's what they said during the Celtics broadcast). The players buying into the system has every thing to do with Tim. The LA media may exaggerate the effort Kobe puts in during practice, but guess what, Tim puts in just as much if not more. Tim has taken care of his body and has played more games than Kobe in the regular season and the playoffs.
BTW Tim has outlasted the careers of Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing & D Rob. Tim's & KAJ's numbers are neck and neck in their 18th season.
You can beat your drum for all we could care, but the fact that Tim has surpassed Kobe doesn't sit pretty in your little anime fantasy. Boy who would have though the general public & the media would soundly pick Tim over Kobe after all your cute little trolling the past few years.
It's not a rumor Dale. DK was horrible to watch during his Wizard days. He did shoot better than Kobe though. Story of his life ain't it?
No, Scan, you're being petty & small. You're bitter because ringing wasn't enough for "you." Thought it would be because Kobe was flat on his back and you figured he'd never return to his 25-5-5 self. Now that he has ringing isn't enough.
Jim does not shoot 50%, you jackass. He's currently at 48% and will drop further as the season goes on. Duncan is not anchoring ... the Spurs do a great job at forcing teams to shoot long jump shots. They have a great system in place and a coach that forces players to buy in, or hit the bricks. Their defense has nothing to do with Jim at all, which is why when any of their leading three players miss a game they don't miss a beat.
Also, Jim shoots at a lesser clip than Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, and even D. Rob. The has been basically been carried for the last 10 years of his career.
Duncan is like 2 makes away from 50%. Irrelevant.
which is why when any of their leading three players miss a game they don't miss a beat.
Do you even research your opinions before spouting off? The Spurs winning percentage is 20 points lower when Duncan isn't in the lineup.
And why is it do you think they can force opponents into long 2s? Because they have an all-time great paint anchor patrolling the paint. And if Duncan isn't the anchor, why has the defense been anywhere from 5 to 10 points worse when he isn't on the floor?
Oh, and you don't want me mentioning all the wings that shoot better than Kobe. That list is longer than your Naruto watch list.
Then why is there such a high correlation between advanced stats and player/team success?
Pretty much every front office and coaching staff in the league is "applying" analytics to their program.
Except the Lakers, of course, who are stuck in the Dark Ages
Mid, you've been trying to make your case that using advanced stats to judge the success of a player should be the gold standard for years. Due to the fact that I've played the game I will always disagree with you because you know nothing about heart, determination, will, and desire, which can't be measured through stats. You're no more than the color commentator sitting next to the retired HOF legend trying to sound smart, but looks and sounds ridiculous. I remember when Simmons got his first chance on ESPN to debate Magic, and Magic basically face-palmed that geek for sounding so idiotic. You're that guy, Mid... and I'm that HOF'er that you're sitting next to trying to sound smart. Just in this thread alone you've made an ass out of yourself already.
"You do realize that Shaq and Kobe were the only legitimate offensive options on those le teams, the rest of roster being filled out with blue collar role players"
"The primary reason I have Duncan over Kobe is because of the intangible."
^^^ Those are your quotes above there. The fact that you admit that Kobe won 3 straight les with only one legitimate offensive option that couldn't shoot free throws or make a shot outside of the paint speaks volumes!!! And your second quote? You're not writing a novel here so there's no need for fluff. Kobe went through 8 different coaches. A rape case. A lazy jealous heart co-star that jumped ship when he couldn't get his way. A future HOF coach that told him to dial back his play to allow his jealous heart co-star to be the center of attention. That same HOF coach left when it got tough and wrote a tell-all book about Kobe, then begged Kobe to come back so Kobe could carry his long legged ass to two more les. A blood thirsty media that wants his head for getting away with rape, and not being Lebron. A career ending Achilles injury, followed by a season ending knee injury, and the guy comes back to lead the league in scoring and just set a mark of the ONLY player to record 30k points and 6k assists. And you're talking intangibles? Give me a ing break, Mid.
You see Mid... we're not cut from the same material, which is why "you don't get it." I notice that all of you use Jordan to trump Kobe when measuring his greatness. I think that's a complement, but its intended as an insult. Those that are cut from my material know for a fact that Kobe is a greater player than Duncan and has had a better career as well. But instead of talking about advanced stats and ... I'm going to take your ace of spade and use it against you. This is me channeling my inner Kobe and saying, "GET THE OUT OF THE WAY!!!"
No, Scan, you're being petty & small. You're bitter because ringing wasn't enough for "you." Thought it would be because Kobe was flat on his back and you figured he'd never return to his 25-5-5 self. Now that he has ringing isn't enough.
Ya poor thing, you.
Wasn't that your m.o. all these years? I'm not at all bitter. In fact i'm just relieved that the player of the generation can no longer be questioned from here on out. I've visited quite a few NBA forums and i was surprised to see that Tim was held in higher regard (than Kobe) even before he rang last June. 5 is now the icing tbh.
Dale, you have it the other way around. It's you who we pity tbh. The sad little 25-5-5 validates that.
Wasn't that your m.o. all these years? I'm not at all bitter. In fact i'm just relieved that the player of the generation can no longer be questioned from here on out. I've visited quite a few NBA forums and i was surprised to see that Tim was held in higher regard (than Kobe) even before he rang last June. 5 is now the icing tbh.
Dale, you have it the other way around. It's you who we pity tbh. The sad little 25-5-5 validates that.
No, Jim is liked more than Kobe. Kobe's milestones are greater. A 3-peat and a back to back to get to 5 is much harder than getting there every other year or some y'all used to say. Se my video above if you need clarity.
You see Mid... we're not cut from the same material, which is why "you don't get it." I notice that all of you use Jordan to trump Kobe when measuring his greatness. I think that's a complement, but its intended as an insult. Those that are cut from my material know for a fact that Kobe is a greater player than Duncan and has had a better career as well. But instead of talking about advanced stats and ... I'm going to take your ace of spade and use it against you. This is me channeling my inner Kobe and saying, "GET THE OUT OF THE WAY!!!"
Who you fooling tbh? Duncan has him beat in every which way. Now that the media has started looking more into analytics & advanced stats, Kobe is getting shredded. This is a different era my friend. Players can no longer be trigger happy. You either play within the system or you're out.
No, Jim is liked more than Kobe. Kobe's milestones are greater. A 3-peat and a back to back to get to 5 is much harder than getting there every other year or some y'all used to say. Se my video above if you need clarity.
Who you fooling tbh? Duncan has him beat in every which way. Now that the media has started looking more into analytics & advanced stats, Kobe is getting shredded. This is a different era my friend. Players can no longer be trigger happy. You either play within the system or you're out.
The media invented this . I can contend that its the rape. You think its a different era... that's until the next Kobe comes along. Outlier, God-given talent... call it what you want... he's on the way, and no amount of team sports or advanced stats will stop him.
Mid, you've been trying to make your case that using advanced stats to judge the success of a player should be the gold standard for years. Due to the fact that I've played the game I will always disagree with you because you know nothing about heart, determination, will, and desire, which can't be measured through stats. You're no more than the color commentator sitting next to the retired HOF legend trying to sound smart, but looks and sounds ridiculous. I remember when Simmons got his first chance on ESPN to debate Magic, and Magic basically face-palmed that geek for sounding so idiotic. You're that guy, Mid... and I'm that HOF'er that you're sitting next to trying to sound smart. Just in this thread alone you've made an ass out of yourself already.
"You do realize that Shaq and Kobe were the only legitimate offensive options on those le teams, the rest of roster being filled out with blue collar role players"
"The primary reason I have Duncan over Kobe is because of the intangible."
^^^ Those are your quotes above there. The fact that you admit that Kobe won 3 straight les with only one legitimate offensive option that couldn't shoot free throws or make a shot outside of the paint speaks volumes!!! And your second quote? You're not writing a novel here so there's no need for fluff. Kobe went through 8 different coaches. A rape case. A lazy jealous heart co-star that jumped ship when he couldn't get his way. A future HOF coach that told him to dial back his play to allow his jealous heart co-star to be the center of attention. That same HOF coach left when it got tough and wrote a tell-all book about Kobe, then begged Kobe to come back so Kobe could carry his long legged ass to two more les. A blood thirsty media that wants his head for getting away with rape, and not being Lebron. A career ending Achilles injury, followed by a season ending knee injury, and the guy comes back to lead the league in scoring and just set a mark of the ONLY player to record 30k points and 6k assists. And you're talking intangibles? Give me a ing break, Mid.
You see Mid... we're not cut from the same material, which is why "you don't get it." I notice that all of you use Jordan to trump Kobe when measuring his greatness. I think that's a complement, but its intended as an insult. Those that are cut from my material know for a fact that Kobe is a greater player than Duncan and has had a better career as well. But instead of talking about advanced stats and ... I'm going to take your ace of spade and use it against you. This is me channeling my inner Kobe and saying, "GET THE OUT OF THE WAY!!!"
I don't compare Kirby to Jordan. He's more properly compared to Wade, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and even Baron Davis, as my stats illustrate
The fact that you admit that Kobe won 3 straight les with only one legitimate offensive option that couldn't shoot free throws or make a shot outside of the paint speaks volumes!!!
And that other "option" was one of the greatest players of all-time, perhaps with the greatest peak in NBA history. When Kobe finally emerged as the lead after Shaq bolted, he was surrounded with 3 legitimate options in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when he wasn't hurt).
Also, quit spinning it like Kobe was primarily responsible for the 3 peat. Did you forget he got outplayed by Austin Croshere in the 2000 Finals?
And the fact Kobe went through so many coaches says more about Kobe than anything else.
What this is really about is that you're against advanced stats because they don't verify your perceived status of Kobe's greatness.
I don't compare Kirby to Jordan. He's more properly compared to Wade, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and even Baron Davis, as my stats illustrate
And that other "option" was one of the greatest players of all-time, perhaps with the greatest peak in NBA history. When Kobe finally emerged as the lead after Shaq bolted, he was surrounded with 3 legitimate options in Gasol, Odom, and Bynum (when he wasn't hurt).
Also, quit spinning it like Kobe was primarily responsible for the 3 peat. Did you forget he got outplayed by Austin Croshere in the 2000 Finals?
And the fact Kobe went through so many coaches says more about Kobe than anything else.
What this is really about is that you're against advanced stats because they don't verify your perceived status of Kobe's greatness.
The media invented this . I can contend that its the rape. You think its a different era... that's until the next Kobe comes along. Outlier, God-giving talent... call it what you want... he's on the way, and no amount of team sports or advanced stats will stop him.
I'm not so sure especially with the new superstars focusing more on efficiency than volume. Even Kerr is turning Curry around. Look at Durant & Lebron. The new players are going to model their game after them tbh.
The media invented this . I can contend that its the rape. You think its a different era... that's until the next Kobe comes along. Outlier, God-given talent... call it what you want... he's on the way, and no amount of team sports or advanced stats will stop him.
(note, I'm considering much more than PER here, which you know I often use)
Kareem: All time great advanced stats
Jordan: All time great advanced stats
Magic: All time great advanced stats
Lebron: All time great advanced stats
Bird: All time great advanced stats
Shaq: All time great advanced stats
Hakeem: All time great advanced stats
Kobe? Always in the 20's or even lower when you examine his advanced stats.
You didn't even make any coherent points and resorted to ad hominem (calling me a nerd) and arguments from emotion.
I like advanced stats because they are proven to be more accurate than your beloved per game stats (which are just as arbitrarily conceived). This isn't about some fatwa against your boy.
Also, advanced stats support the perceived greatness of other Lakers Hall of Famers. So what's the problem?
You didn't even make any coherent points and resorted to ad hominem (calling me a nerd) and arguments from emotion.
I like advanced stats because they are proven to be more accurate than your beloved per game stats (which are just as arbitrarily conceived). This isn't about some fatwa against your boy.
Also, advanced stats support the perceived greatness of other Lakers Hall of Famers. So what's the problem?
Look who's emotional. Me calling you a nerd is no more an insult than you calling me a jock. You gotta know who you are in the world, mid. I noticed you didn't touch that video.
Yes,,,like Global Warming and Climate Change, just another excuse to separate man from his $. suckers.
Did your old ass watch Interstellar tbh?
But seriously do you even know how much coal Asia, North & South America is burning for their thermal power plants? Try the tropical countries and you'll really see the change in person.Japan & Sri Lanka are going to go under. Maldives, Thailand beaches & Mauritius will no longer exist. Vietnam isn't looking good either.
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