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Derek harper should replace fisher.
Tough to get a center. Anybody who's remotely good would have made the all star team, especially those from the last 20 years.
To qualify for inclusion on this squad, the candidate in question can't be (or never have been):
- An All Star
- A 6th Man of the Year
- A Rookie of the Year
- A 1st team All NBA selection (offensive or defensive)
- A DPOY winner
I'm using Basketball Reference's Box Plus/Minus to aid in my selection process, and think I've come up with a pretty good starting 5 and 6th man.
PG: Derek Fisher
Actually has a career regular season +/- of -0.7, but we know Fish typically slept walk through regular season and woke up in April. In the post-season, his FG% improved from .399 to .423, PER 11.8 to 12.0, and Offensive/Defensive rating difference from 0 to +4, which means he would likely have a strong +/- figure (BBall reference unfortunately doesn't yet have +/- for the post-season).
SG: Brent Barry
Career +2.4 +/- and a capable playoff performer as us Spurs fans know.
SF: Shane Battier
The +/- king of role players (career mark of +2.75, which is a better mark than players like Dwight Howard, Dominique Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, and many other All Star caliber players). Also a clutch playoff performer as us Spurs fans know. No doubt Daryl Morey has a shrine of Battier in his office.
PF: Robert Horry
Career +/- of 2.70, which again is a figure that is better than a lot of All Star caliber players. Also one of the most clutch playoff performers of all-time.
C: Vlade Divac
Breaking my own no All Star rule here, but Vlade was only selected once and his raw stats of 12 and 8 on 48% shooting that year (2001) really don't justify his inclusion, not to mention he got in because Shaq was injured for half the year and didn't qualify for the All Star game. That said, Vlade definitely has an All Star +/- figure: An impressive 3.1. Solid post-season performer, too, even if he did stupidly back tap a rebound he should've grabbed.
6th Man: Cedric Maxwell
Career +/- of 2.7. Famously the Finals MVP of the 1980 Celtics.
Who is your all Role Player team?
Derek harper should replace fisher.
Tough to get a center. Anybody who's remotely good would have made the all star team, especially those from the last 20 years.
2011 JKidd/2000 Kobe/2013 KLeonard/2014 Diaw/2014 Duncan
I was thinking of putting Bogut at C, but he's always injured and hasn't done anything in the playoffs.
Fisher
Jamal Crawford
Battier (or Bowen if I want to injure the opponent)
Odom
PJ Brown
Bibby/Isaiah Rider (tough call tbh)
Jalen Rose
Kukoc
Horry
Jefferson
what about kiwi
1 Rod Strickland
2 Drazen Petrovic
3 Stephen Jackson
4 Robert Horry
5 Arvydas Sabonis
Assuming I'm not actually trying to win games with this team(so fit being irrelevant), and excluding super role players like Tyson Chandler:
PG Mavs Kidd/Fisher
SG Danny Green/Tony Allen
SF Bruce Bowen/Trevor Ariza
PF Horry/Spurs Diaw
C Divac/post-kidney transplant Alonzo Mourning
Bibby - Green - Leonard - Diaw - Splitter
because why not
Bibby fits OP's criteria, but he wasn't a role player, at all..he carried those teams for large stretches and ran the offense virtually every time down the stretch..
Easy to be glib when you're on top. You SOB, you.
Absolutely.
and Horry carried the Spurs for 17 straight minutes in the finalsBibby fits OP's criteria, but he wasn't a role player, at all
that was Duncan's equivalent of LeBron's game 6 choke that got rewarded imo, but probably worse if they lost. he was horrible offensively throughout that game, missed seemingly every free throw down the stretch, and missed the game winning tip-in which would have avoided OT altogether
Derek Fisher
Danny Green
Bruce Bowen/Pistons Tayshaun Prince
Toni Kukoc/Robert Horry
Brad Miller/Vlade Divac
Everyone is sleeping on James Posey.
Fisher/Shaw
Bowen/lindsey hunter
Horry/ariza/posey
Haslem/splitter
Bibby fits OP's criteria, but he wasn't a role player, at all
Definitely not a role-player though, unless you argue that everyone on that Kings team was one, sans perhaps Webber.
FWIW, Fisher has carried plenty of teams, if not physically then mentally, especially the Lakers.
I thought perhaps Kukoc would end up in Los Angeles at the end, but, of course it did not happen.
Kukoc is more than a role player tbh
A winnerPERIOD
Bibby had a 22% usage rate in 41 MPG in the 2002 playoffsand Horry carried the Spurs for 17 straight minutes in the finals
that was Duncan's equivalent of LeBron's game 6 choke that got rewarded imo, but probably worse if they lost. he was horrible offensively throughout that game, missed seemingly every free throw down the stretch, and missed the game winning tip-in which would have avoided OT altogether
Came in expecting to see Kirby
disappointed in you, Mid.
Doug Christie was a heck of a role player IMO
Horry and Fish are on that team no doubt about it. Horry was a legit contributor on les for 3 franchises. His resume:
The 3 versus the Pistons (Spurs PROBABLY lose without it)
The 3 versus Sacto (Lakers DEFINITELY lose without it)
The hip check that leads to Amare suspension (Spurs MAY lose without it ...)
As for Fisher the layup vs.. the Celts in 2010 ...
The 3 versus the Magic in 2009
.4 versus the Spurs ...
The rain of 3's versus the spurs (2001?) all were HUGE
Also Lakers may not be rockets without his "screen" on Scola. Scola was tearing Odom and Pau a new one and Fisher wouldnt stand for it. cheap shot? Yep. Dirty? yes. But the kind of old school foul you want someone to take? ABSOLUTELY changed that series without taking a clutch shot.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 12-01-2014 at 04:12 PM.
Bowen never won a DPOY did he? if not he joins Horry and fish on the GOAT first team role player unit along with ...
PG Fish
SG Sjax
SF Bowen
PF Horry
C Longley? klay's dad? Splitter? Bynum? Tough call ... I like Haslem as Horry's back up and Posey as Bowen's. Posey hit bigger shots but Bowen was more versatile on defense. Can we count Sjax as a SG? if so I say him. SG is tough to find role players who were relevant on le teams. For me, that ALWAYS matters.
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