OT: Poster Wars, midnightpulp vs Kool

[midnightpulp]

Look who's emotional. Me calling you a nerd is no more an insult than you calling me a jock. You gotta know who you are in the world, mid. I noticed you didn't touch that video.

You really don't know how to debate. Calling me a nerd doesn't do anything for your position. Make a point, a counterargument. Tell me why advanced stats are simply media created frivolity while per game stats should be taken as some kind of gospel.

Your vid also doesn't address any points, either.

Again, this is about advanced stats not being kind to your boy.

However, you can take solace in the fact they justify the status of other Lakers greats.

[Buddy Mignon]

Did your old ass watch Interstellar tbh?

But seriously do you even know how much coal Asia, North & South America is burning for their thermal power plants? Try the tropical countries and you'll really see the change in person.Japan & Sri Lanka are going to go under. Maldives, Thailand beaches & Mauritius will no longer exist. Vietnam isn't looking good either.

Wow!!! You're using that hack of a movie Interstellar as some sort of measuring stick for the future.

[AlexJones]

Wow!!! You're using that hack of a movie Interstellar as some sort of measuring stick for the future.

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Damn, and usually Scan would never permit himself to get caught short like this.

Poor Scan.

[scanry]

Wow!!! You're using that hack of a movie Interstellar as some sort of measuring stick for the future.

"But seriously"

I've always wanted to ask you where you went to college?

[scanry]

Damn, and usually Scan would never permit himself to get caught short like this.

Poor Scan.

I would have brought up the day after tomorrow if I wanted a global warming reference. I wanted to see how your old ass would react to a movie like Interstellar, which is about space travel BTW.

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I would have brought up the day after tomorrow if I wanted a global warming reference. I wanted to see how your old ass would react to a movie like Interstellar, which is about space travel BTW.

Movies ain't real life, Scan. That's why they're movies.

[Buddy Mignon]

You really don't know how to debate. Calling me a nerd doesn't do anything for your position. Make a point, a counterargument. Tell me why advanced stats are simply media created frivolity while per game stats should be taken as some kind of gospel.

Your vid also doesn't address any points, either.

Again, this is about advanced stats not being kind to your boy.

However, you can take solace in the fact they justify the status of other Lakers greats.

I never even once mentioned per game stats in this thread. We're talking greatness... intangibles. You said Jim was the better player because of intangibles. I gave you a counterargument, and the video proves my point.

Chris Paul, Barkley, Dwight Howard and Tracey McGrady all have higher PER's than Magic, Kobe, Kareem, and Moses Malone. Yet, the latter four were more dominant individually, and won more rings. But, if we were going to use your silly method of building a team we'd have no rings... correct?

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I never even once mentioned per game stats in this thread. We're talking greatness... intangibles. You said Jim was the better player because of intangibles. I gave you a counterargument, and the video proves my point.

Chris Paul, Barkley, Dwight Howard and Tracey McGrady all have higher PER's than Magic, Kobe, Kareem, and Moses Malone. Yet, the latter four were more dominant individually, and won more rings. But, if we were going to use your silly method of building a team we'd have no rings... correct?

Migs, the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

Christ, I cringe, absolutely shake in my boots at the contemplation of this NBA Forum without the Lakers contingent. Sweet Jesus.

[Buddy Mignon]

"But seriously"

I've always wanted to ask you where you went to college?

Using space travel to locate Tesseracts in the future to communicate with yourself from the past, huh? Anything is not possible, scan.

[Buddy Mignon]

Migs, the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

Christ, I cringe, absolutely shake in my boots at the contemplation of this NBA Forum without the Lakers contingent. Sweet Jesus.

Have you seen the movie The Road? You'd be that guy... plodding along with his son, Mid.

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Have you seen the movie The Road? You'd be that guy... plodding along with his son, Mid.

, yeah, a million questions. I wouldn't be near as patient as "Poppa" was. I'd hit him a good one, then have him for supper.

[Buddy Mignon]

, yeah, a million questions. I wouldn't be near as patient as "Poppa" was. I'd hit him a good one, then have him for supper.

Now that little mother er is on synergy.com scrambling trying to find an argument, instead of realizing there's honor in admitting you're wrong.

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Now that little mother er is on synergy.com scrambling trying to find an argument, instead of realizing there's honor in admitting you're wrong.

Of course, Spur Fan can never admit being wrong. Ever. No decency.

[midnightpulp]

I never even once mentioned per game stats in this thread. We're talking greatness... intangibles. You said Jim was the better player because of intangibles. I gave you a counterargument, and the video proves my point.

Chris Paul, Barkley, Dwight Howard and Tracey McGrady all have higher PER's than Magic, Kobe, Kareem, and Moses Malone. Yet, the latter four were more dominant individually, and won more rings. But, if we were going to use your silly method of building a team we'd have no rings... correct?

Yeah. I think Duncan is a better teammate, less selfish, more agreeable, all while keeping a similar compe ive fire and "killer instinct" as Kobe. What proves that more than saying, "We'll do it this time," and then doing it? I also meant "intangibles" in terms of doing the little things that aren't measured statistically: Setting picks, altering shots in the paint, basketball IQ, and the like. I also think Kobe's most acclaimed intangible (killer instinct) often times manifests itself negatively on the court in the form of shot selection and ball dominance. You ever play with a ball dominant player? Tell me what happens to the offense's rhythm and defense's intensity when a single player is dominating the ball? Here's where you tell me you were the ball dominant player. But anyone who's played basketball has played with a ball dominant player at times.

You love Kobe's style because it's a face-to-face, flamboyant, entertaining style of basketball that reduces a team game into a one-on-one compe ion. I know that vibes with a supposed "Alpha" personality like yourself (which is funny considering you're a fan of the greatest team player in NBA history, but whatever).

Chris Paul, Barkley, Dwight Howard and Tracey McGrady all have higher PER's than Magic, Kobe, Kareem, and Moses Malone. Yet, the latter four were more dominant individually, and won more rings. But, if we were going to use your silly method of building a team we'd have no rings... correct?

I'm using more than PER in my evaluation. Howard has other advanced stats that aren't too great. Barkley is an advanced stat beast, but stupidly partied during the 1993 Finals, which probably cost him a ring. Chris Paul and TMAC have pretty small sample sizes, so they're not really worth considering.

And yeah, I'd consider the personality (intangibles) of the guys I was building a team with. It's one of the reasons the Spurs been so successful. They get guys who have a compatible chemistry. It's why the Showtime Lakers were so successful. Bird's Celtics, etc.

Kobe's personality seems like it's a detriment to team cohesion more often than not. I'm not surprised things went south when Fisher left.

[midnightpulp]

Of course, Spur Fan can never admit being wrong. Ever. No decency.

What am I wrong about?

[Buddy Mignon]

Yeah. I think Duncan is a better teammate, less selfish, more agreeable, all while keeping a similar compe ive fire and "killer instinct" as Kobe. What proves that more than saying, "We'll do it this time," and then doing it? I also meant "intangibles" in terms of doing the little things that aren't measured statistically: Setting picks, altering shots in the paint, basketball IQ, and the like. I also think Kobe's most acclaimed intangible (killer instinct) often times manifests itself negatively on the court in the form of shot selection and ball dominance. You ever play with a ball dominant player? Tell me what happens to the offense's rhythm and defense's intensity when a single player is dominating the ball? Here's where you tell me you were the ball dominant player. But anyone who's played basketball has played with a ball dominant player at times.

You love Kobe's style because it's a face-to-face, flamboyant, entertaining style of basketball that reduces a team game into a one-on-one compe ion. I know that vibes with a supposed "Alpha" personality like yourself (which is funny considering you're a fan of the greatest team player in NBA history, but whatever).



I'm using more than PER in my evaluation. Howard has other advanced stats that aren't too great. Barkley is an advanced stat beast, but stupidly partied during the 1993 Finals, which probably cost him a ring. Chris Paul and TMAC have pretty small sample sizes, so they're not really worth considering.

And yeah, I'd consider the personality (intangibles) of the guys I was building a team with. It's one of the reasons the Spurs been so successful. They get guys who have a compatible chemistry. It's why the Showtime Lakers were so successful. Bird's Celtics, etc.

Kobe's personality seems like it's a detriment to team cohesion more often than not. I'm not surprised things went south when Fisher left.

I don't accept your compromise at all. And I'll come back later to dissect this post. I've noticed throughout history that the men that have accomplished the greatest feats have had extremely unlikable personalities. Mid, who has accomplished more? Jesus, or the Devil. I'll leave you with this clip to ponder over.

[midnightpulp]

I don't accept your compromise at all. And I'll come back later to dissect this post. I've noticed throughout history that the men that have accomplished the greatest feats have had extremely unlikable personalities. Mid, who has accomplished more? Jesus, or the Devil. I'll leave you with this clip to ponder over.

Jesus.

Christianity has played a significant role in building Western Civilization.

[Koolaid_Man]

Yeah. I think Duncan is a better teammate, less selfish, more agreeable, all while keeping a similar compe ive fire and "killer instinct" as Kobe. Before I say anything to your dumbass let me say this...there are two kinds of men in this world. Givers and Takers....Tim is a giver and Kobe is a taker....Tim is a nice guy and Kobe is an asshole. That I think we can all agree on. Now if Tim was anything like Kobe he would still be married but he's not. If time was a better teammate, less selfish, and more agreeable as a teammate then what does that make him as a husband. It's all a facade...all the adulation appears to be based on fraud science. At least with Kobe what you see is what you get....no need to put on pretenses like yall do in SA. Fact is Tammy does not posses Kobe's killer instinct. You cannot be agreeable and less selfish while being compared to Kobe. What proves that more than saying, "We'll do it this time," and then doing it? I also meant "intangibles" in terms of doing the little things that aren't measured statistically: Setting picks, altering shots in the paint, basketball IQ, and the like. Kobe has a higher basketball IQ than Duncan. The 2 guard position requires it. The 4 and 5 positions doesn't require much by way of IQ because they don't have to make many decisions with the ball. In fact every poll out there (surveyed GM's and Players) on who has the highest BBALL IQ has Kobe topping the list. Here's the latest > IQ POLL I also think Kobe's most acclaimed intangible (killer instinct) often times manifests itself negatively on the court in the form of shot selection and ball dominance. Again - Tis the difference between real men and pacifists. Kobe is a taker. Let's break it down starting with (1) Shaq. My point is Tim Duncan and MJ never had to deal with a force and personality of a SHAQ. He was a big bad bully who did and got what he wanted. He was also very lazy due to his girth and everyone was in shock and awe of him except Kobe. Kobe saw that he was lazy and challenged him. Kobe's motto was "If you're going to lead me then do so by example." Shaq refused to so Kobe chased the games biggest personality and player right out of LA all because he didn't want to put in the effort. How is that not noble. You ers talk about lazy black men and yet when you get one who works his ass off to the nth degree you get your panties in a twist. Go figure. My (2nd) point is that if Kobe wasn't playing with a lazy Shaq he was playing with inferior talent. Odom was always one Marijuana test away from a lifetime NBA ban.While Gasol was a classic underachiever at 0-12 in the play-offs before joining Kobe in LA. Neither Odom or Gasol will make the HOF. Whereas Parker and Ginobilli will both make it. ;-) Never has Tim played outside of a different system and never has be played for multiple coaches. The ONE-TIME let me repeat the ONE-TIME that Tim played for a different coach outside of a different system. He literally QUIT on his ing country. HE QUIT ON HIS COUNTRY PERIOD!!!! END OF STORY!!! He didn't have the skills to play outside of his comfort zone his San Antonio. No way is the dude an all-time great. For all of Kobe's faults he never quit on his country. Never has Tim played with the likes of Smush Parker, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown and on and on and on....Tim has always played with All-stars, great defensive players, and three not one or two but THREE 1st Ballot HOF'ers at his side if you include Robinson. Kobe's never had that luxury. NEVER!!! You ever play with a ball dominant player? Tell me what happens to the offense's rhythm and defense's intensity when a single player is dominating the ball? So when a single player is dominating the ball then look at the WHY? Has Tim Duncan ever played with a player that came to him and asked him not to pass him the ball because he was scared. Has He? No. This is the type of Kobe's had to deal with. Kobe went to LA so there's haters Tim went to SA so he had no pressure and no stress....he didn't have Hollywood and the whole world waiting to see him fail on a global scale he was in ing country ass cow town SA where there's no such thing as pressure....a town where you can literally buy court-side seats for 35 cents. So there is a big difference in overall expectations. It's sink or swim. Tammy's never had the pressure....it's been easy for him. Here's where you tell me you were the ball dominant player. But anyone who's played basketball has played with a ball dominant player at times. Shaq was the most bullyish force the league has seen or ever will see...there is no personality to compare. Tim and MJ didn't have to deal with that ...everyone that Pop brought have been robot type players. I give Pop credit for running a tight ship and developing his system but Pop cannot deal with strong personalities. Dennis Rodman (case in point) Dennis was a teachable moment for Pop..Pop couldn't handle it and so Dennis went on to get 3 more rings with MJ. Again my giver and taker scenario...real men are not gonna let you strip them of their iden y....so if you can't handle playing with a Kobe or Rodman, or MJ then get the on...not everyone is cut from the same cloth....I know one thing if I'm in a foxhole I don't want to see Tim Duncan or anyone who thinks like him.

You love Kobe's style because it's a face-to-face, flamboyant, entertaining style of basketball that reduces a team game into a one-on-one compe ion. No we love Kobe's style because we're also Alpha's...and it's what we can relate to. We're not -made pacifists. Kobe's is nothing but a by-product of the American way. No? Isn't it all about getting yours, eating first, and then feeding those who want it as bad as you. Isn't that what American Captilism is all about? Ain't that what you sissy boys cry about everyday in the Club forum regarding blacks. ;-) I know that vibes with a supposed "Alpha" personality like yourself (which is funny considering you're a fan of the greatest team player in NBA history, but whatever).


I'm using more than PER in my evaluation. Howard has other advanced stats that aren't too great. Barkley is an advanced stat beast, but stupidly partied during the 1993 Finals, which probably cost him a ring. Chris Paul and TMAC have pretty small sample sizes, so they're not really worth considering.

And yeah, I'd consider the personality (intangibles) of the guys I was building a team with. It's one of the reasons the Spurs been so successful. They get guys who have a compatible chemistry. No...They get givers. Weak guys...guys who can play but are inheerently weak men. It's why the Showtime Lakers were so successful. Bird's Celtics, etc. The Showtime Lakers were successful because Magic came in and took it from Kareem....and made everyone else follow....those teams were successful because they had more takers than givers. The Spurs are lucky by-products of a watered down era. especially there last two les.

Kobe's personality seems like it's a detriment to team cohesion more often than not. It's all about leadership styles. Not to be offensive but if Kobe and Ducan played together....Duncan would naturally concede to Kobe because it's his personality....he would have no fight and he'd be afraid of Kobe....it's that simple....Dude has no heart to stand up to anyone....the look is all in his eyes and his body language...he's a giver and Kobe would have took it.....I'm not surprised things went south when Fisher left.

Hey Mid see my comments above in blue

[m>s]

Kool don't make me call up taco meat jackson

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool don't make me call up taco meat jackson

LOL. tell him to come from underneaths his mothers dingy sheets..

[m>s]

kool i compared you to shaq in the other thread because you both have sbc's

[midnightpulp]

Hollywood
Comparing team sports to war
Givers and takers
Olympics (and you always forget to mention Tim was still the best player on that team)
Foxholes


Sorry, Kool. But your argument is uncompelling and filled with the kind of speculative nonsense we'd come to expect from Kobe fans.

I am pleased that at least you backed up your basketball IQ contention with some kind of data. But I have to disagree with that particular GM poll (as I'm sure you did when GMs never once selected Kobe as a player they'd build around. See pic: )

I agree more with Dime Mag's list, even though I think Kobe is ranked too high: http://dimemag.com/2013/10/nbas-10-smartest-players/4/

And by the way, Popovich never coached Dennis Rodman. That was Bob Hill. I also think Gasol is a shoe in for the Hall of Fame.

[scanry]

Kool don't make me call up taco meat jackson

But isn't that mono tbh?

[scanry]

Migs, the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

Christ, I cringe, absolutely shake in my boots at the contemplation of this NBA Forum without the Lakers contingent. Sweet Jesus.

You would wouldn't ya? Your boy is getting shredded by mid.