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Maybe once. Likely not given his deficiencies and inefficiency.
I think of Duncan and it's obvious that given enough time he would've led any franchise to great heights. Same with Shaq. LeBron. Unibrow is on his way. I'd imagine Bird, Magic, MJ, etc were similar although I didn't really see enough of them to comment.
What about that Kirby guy many considered the player of the decade though? What would he have led a small market Charlotte team to? What if you stick him on VC's Raptors, AI's 6ers or Tmac's Magic...does he lead them to glory eventually? I just can't see him winning without the comforts and advantages LA provides, which is strange since he's supposed to be a legendary player. Someone help me out here.
Maybe once. Likely not given his deficiencies and inefficiency.
One of Kobe's best traits is his ability to manipulate fans/media, it's a common trait among sociopaths, tbh..
He would have never agreed to join a small market team, his entire career has been based on following Dad Killer's footsteps and attempting to surpass him..joining a historic franchise like the Lakers(which essentially guaranteed you at least a few les in the old NBA system) was a genius move, on his part..
It all depends on coaching, system and players around him. That's how winning gets done, regardless of market. Spurs and Lakers proved this 5 times each. Oh, and dumb thread.
if you take Spurs out of the equation, which you should, because Spurs are a unique small market org in history, you end up with small market only winning 5 times in the last 30 years. (hou, det)
Lebron still can't do it. so I'm not sure saying that about Kobe really makes him any less of a player.
lol, no way.
Why do you think this? I'm not arguing, just trying to understand others point of view. A small market probably means they wouldn't be able to attract or afford a guy like Shaq. Maybe a guy like MVPau but those two salaries would take up a large chunk of a small markets teams cap space...so lower quality role players. But it's been proven that Kobe needs a dominant big man by his side so it's a tough decision to make.
I just don't see it. But maybe I am just being a hater.
5 rings in LA is equivalent to 5 rings in SA numerically and that's where it ends. The cir stances surrounding each city/franchise couldn't be any more different. You don't think market has anything to do with your Lakers having 16 les? How about the Yankees? Real Madrid?
There was a really bad stench in Cleveland when Bron arrived. I think what he did in his first stint was admirable. Do you think Kobe leads that kind of in the gutter, small market franchise to a Finals within 5 years?
Obviously this second stint he has to deliver a championship. I think he will eventually but we'll see.
You are being a hater....plus who's to say that the small market team had ty scouting and short shortsightedness in relation to Europe or South America and didn't get Manu or Parker. You put Duncan in any of your scenario's other than the Spurs he'd win maybe 1 and that's only if he got traded to a big market and played with other stars. That's how it works bro.
You can't compare Market to said player and saying it's the same thing. What if the Spurs drafted Kobe with Pop and management team in place....you don't think they'd win a few les? The spurs are unique. The Majority of the champions were in a big market.
That "Maybe", is an opening for "A chance in ". A snowballs chance if you will.
I never said he would emulate the success he had on the Spurs, I mean yeah that's pretty rare. But I do think he would help create a strong contender with a ring or two in the mix. I don't see that with Kobe. I mean what has he shown to suggest that? He's an all-time individual talent but he's not particularly great making role players better. If anything he uses their limitations as a reason to try to do more on his own. That ain't winning basketball.
With the style of game Kobe's played his entire career? no I don't think the Spurs win anything with him as our franchise player even with Pop.
Pop's 'management' wasn't going to lure guys like Shaq or make Holt pay the luxury tax.
You don't get it.
Houston isn't a small market.
And I can remember when Detroit wasn't a small market either when they were winning in the 80s.
And you offer no argument to show that.
Sorry but Kobe+Pop=championship isn't very convincing.
When will people get it. It's not the market, it's the management running each organization (See Boston, Knicks, Nets, Lakers under Jimmy)
It has nothing to do with market size but everything to do with having the best frontline in the league.
If Shaq or MVPau plays with Kobe in OkC or Milwaukee, coached by Jackson, thy would have won still.
Doubtful but possible. I really don't think Kobe would have stayed in a small market. I don't think a big name coach like Jackson would have gone to a small market either. Without the allure and legacy of the Lakers, a small market wouldn't attract free agents either, especially with a serial chucker. If Kobe played in a small market Eastern team, it is possible Kobe could have chucked himself into the finals because he is a talented player like AI.
To win it all though, his only window would probably be in 2009 or 2010 when the entire league was still relatively weak and plagued with injuries. Would have seen some nice Lebron/Kobe playoff duels though.
I was being generous for the sake of argument.Houston isn't a small market.
And I can remember when Detroit wasn't a small market either when they were winning in the 80s.
if Hou and Det are not small market then there hasn't been a small market team win it all in 40+ years besides the Spurs.
Not a chance. He proved that when he pussied out of going to Charlotte on draft day. Also, his ego wouldn't be able to handle the lack of hype or attention in a small market compared to LA.
Not true. Only 35 years.
And then one 37 years ago too.
Spurs before Duncan: 0
Spurs after Duncan: 5
The man built a basketball empire in a city where the only attraction is a swamp, tbh..unreal..
FkLA - glad to see you talking basketball hermano
Honestly, I can't think of a single player Kobe made better in his entire career. I can't see him winning jack with another franchise, too selfish, too much of a psycho, this guy has requested numerous trades throughout his career, he's not staying with a small market team lol. Who knows how long a team would deal with his BS, the only reason he got the "green light" in the 1st place because he won championships right away with Shaq, from that point on people overrated him and his franchise bowed down to him.
Guys like Duncan, you could put Massenberg, Oberto, Elson, Mohammad, Bonner, Rose, Thomas etc. next to him and he'd proceed to win championships aside them. He helped revive many careers as well, all those old ass shooters were wide open for a reason.
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