Police chokehold on man ruled a homicide

[Trill Clinton]

dude had a stroke and lost consciousness and died due to an illegal chokehold, aint no way around it.

[spurraider21]

so you ask for when he was talking. i show you when he was talking.

and then you say it doesn't matter. ok

[spurraider21]

i've asked several times in this thread what police protocol is in response to the resist of arrest. from my understanding, you take somebody to the ground (face down so that you can administer handcuffs). am i incorrect?

[Trill Clinton]

so you ask for when he was talking. i show you when he was talking.

and then you say it doesn't matter. ok

your question about the protocol doesn't matter. and him saying i can't breathe after an illegal chokehold doesn't mean . cop killed him. homicide was the ruling.

[Trill Clinton]

stop asking that dumb ass question lol

[SnakeBoy]

i've asked several times in this thread what police protocol is in response to the resist of arrest. from my understanding, you take somebody to the ground (face down so that you can administer handcuffs). am i incorrect?

I'm not a cop, I don't know police protocol. From the video I don't see him resisting arrest. He's arguing with the cops then they jump him. He doesn't even seem to be aware they are placing him under arrest prior to jumping on him. Shouldn't police give clear instructions and time for someone to comply if it is a non threating situation?

[ohmwrecker]

didnt say the police action didn't lead to his death. i'm saying the "killer choke hold" thing is being blown out of proportion.

Kind of a semantic argument when a guy is dead.

[spurraider21]

your question about the protocol doesn't matter. and him saying i can't breathe after an illegal chokehold doesn't mean . cop killed him. homicide was the ruling.

homicide means a person killed a person. that was pretty much known for a while. the michael brown case, the trayvon martin case... those were all cide as well.

[spurraider21]

stop asking that dumb ass question lol

you're calling it a dumbass question, but according to the coroner's report, part of the cause of death was from the chest suppression and prone position. if that aspect of it (putting a guy on his stomach) is part of police protocol, it muddies the situation.

[spurraider21]

Kind of a semantic argument when a guy is dead.

yes and no. the guy's death is a tragedy. but this thread isn't about the tragedy, its about the police actions and the repercussions (or lack thereof). if his death was caused by something that is standard police protocol (putting a guy on his stomach and applying weight to hold him down), it makes it more difficult to attach guilt or liability. that is my point. the choke hold is obviously wrong. but if he was alive after the choke hold and died after chest compression, it puts the grand jury in a tough spot.

[DMC]

Let's see, video of incident? Check. Use of illegal technique? Check. Ruled homicide by coroner? Check. Indictment? Chec.... Wait WTF?

Homicide isn't murder. Obviously the death was caused by the choke hold ergo homicide.

[DMC]

Kind of a semantic argument when a guy is dead.

Semantics are very important in cases like these. You cannot equivocate murder and homicide.

[Th'Pusher]

does it usually include taking them to the ground on their stomach until handcuffs are applied?

i also think the use of several officers so subdue them is safer since they can simply weigh somebody down rather than striking him to subdue him.

tbh the choke hold was incorrectly applied and the cop should lose his job for doing it, but he was released from that choke after they got on the ground, and he was still able to speak at that point. people act like he literally held the choke until the point of death

You're going to make a ty lawyer in that you're a complete and total apologist for the cops/brass. You Might wanna just save some money and drop out of law school now tbh.

[rogues]

You're going to make a ty lawyer in that you're a complete and total apologist for the cops/brass. You Might wanna just save some money and drop out of law school now tbh.

This emotional sophist got again

[HI-FI]

This emotional sophist got again

[Th'Pusher]

This emotional sophist got again

Explain to me what was emotional and sophist in my response.

You appear to be a relatively unintelligent man.

[Th'Pusher]

You can answer the above too.

[spurraider21]

You're going to make a ty lawyer in that you're a complete and total apologist for the cops/brass. You Might wanna just save some money and drop out of law school now tbh.

i asked the question several times and even made it very clear that i don't have experience with law enforcement... which is why i keep asking (hoping somebody will confirm or correct it). instead you are trying to turn my honest question into a personal attack, claiming that i'm going to make a poor lawyer because i dont share your political views.

[Th'Pusher]

i asked the question several times and even made it very clear that i don't have experience with law enforcement... which is why i keep asking (hoping somebody will confirm or correct it). instead you are trying to turn my honest question into a personal attack, claiming that i'm going to make a poor lawyer because i dont share your political views.

It's not about political views. It's about your default response. Your default response is never neutral. It always favors authority. You seem to be an intelligent enough person, you just don't seem to have the ability to judge without applying a relatively significant bias. IMHO, I don't think you have what it takes to be a good lawyer. Note: I think you can be a successful lawyer. I just don't think you'll ever be a good lawyer...Which is fine. Mediocre successful lawyers are a dime a dozen tbh.

[spurraider21]

It's not about political views. It's about your default response. Your default response is never neutral. It always favors authority. You seem to be an intelligent enough person, you just don't seem to have the ability to judge without applying a relatively significant bias. IMHO, I don't think you have what it takes to be a good lawyer. Note: I think you can be a successful lawyer. I just don't think you'll ever be a good lawyer...Which is fine. Mediocre successful lawyers are a dime a dozen tbh.

You are en led to your opinion.

My default stance is neutral, but its not going to stay neutral in the face of evidence. For instance, when the Michael Brown news first broke out, many members here were calling for Wilson's head, I kept quiet. In light of forensic evidence, i began to formulate an opinion on what happened. That being said, if you read all my posts on that matter, you would know that I thought there certainly should have been a trial.

In this case, I think its clear there was police misconduct (the choke hold that the NYPD does not use). But looking at the video (as the grand jury in this case likely did), its hard to consider the chokehold the cause of death when the coroner also specifically cited the chest compression and prone position, and those events superseded his unfortunate death, well after the choke hold was released and he is still seen alive and talking. From my perspective, the only way the choke itself was the cause of death would be if his trachea collapsed as a result of the hold.

This is why I have continuously been asking if this is considered to be common police protocol (to lie somebody face down and apply weight to keep him down). If somebody corrects me and says they went against protocol in that situation, then my opinion on this will likely swing.

You should also realize that having an inherent bias (which I disagree that I have) does not decide what makes a good attorney or not. Attorneys are adversarial and often times will defend somebody they know to be guilty or in the wrong. Perhaps you think I won't be a great judge, instead. Again, that's your opinion, and those are like assholes.

[rogues]

I never thought I'd side with the Armenian..the pothead subhuman is clearly emotional about this..watch him quote me and lodge a personal attack..

[ChumpDumper]

if they had the choke hold, released it, left him alone, and then he died, i'd be 100% with you.

if there is an intervening cause, it changes the picture. as the coroner noted, the compression of his chest along with the prone positioning was a cause of death. this is not related to the choke hold

Compression of the neck.

Since percentages of blame were not given for any injury, I don't see how you can just dismiss the neck compression.

[ChumpDumper]

I never thought I'd side with the Armenian..the pothead subhuman is clearly emotional about this..watch him quote me and lodge a personal attack..

I just watched you launch a personal attack on him.

[Koolaid_Man]

You are en led to your opinion.

My default stance is neutral, but its not going to stay neutral in the face of evidence. For instance, when the Michael Brown news first broke out, many members here were calling for Wilson's head, I kept quiet. In light of forensic evidence, i began to formulate an opinion on what happened. That being said, if you read all my posts on that matter, you would know that I thought there certainly should have been a trial.

In this case, I think its clear there was police misconduct (the choke hold that the NYPD does not use). But looking at the video (as the grand jury in this case likely did), its hard to consider the chokehold the cause of death when the coroner also specifically cited the chest compression and prone position, and those events superseded his unfortunate death, well after the choke hold was released and he is still seen alive and talking. From my perspective, the only way the choke itself was the cause of death would be if his trachea collapsed as a result of the hold.

This is why I have continuously been asking if this is considered to be common police protocol (to lie somebody face down and apply weight to keep him down). If somebody corrects me and says they went against protocol in that situation, then my opinion on this will likely swing.

You should also realize that having an inherent bias (which I disagree that I have) does not decide what makes a good attorney or not. Attorneys are adversarial and often times will defend somebody they know to be guilty or in the wrong. Perhaps you think I won't be a great judge, instead. Again, that's your opinion, and those are like assholes.

You aint gonna be but a public defender with your dumbass

[Silver&Black]

You aint gonna be but a public defender with your dumbass

Probably will be representing you tbh....

I hope you resist arrest though.....and you know how that turns out nowadays.