Police chokehold on man ruled a homicide

[Koolaid_Man]

Probably will be representing you tbh....

I hope you resist arrest though.....and you know how that turns out nowadays.

I dont have to....im shooting to kill...or my dads firm will represent me.

[spurraider21]

You aint gonna be but a public defender with your dumbass

if you work for the state for 10 years, they forgive your law school loans

i dont know if i even want to enter criminal law, but depending on which county you work in, it's not bad at all, especially in California... an average public defender in Santa Clara County CA gets paid over 100K per year. starting salary up there is about 83K.

you combine that with 6 figures of debt forgiveness over 10 years and its not a bad starting gig if thats what you fall into.

[Silver&Black]

I dont have to....im shooting to kill...or my dads firm will represent me.

You know who your daddy is? Are you sure you're black?

[Koolaid_Man]

You know who your daddy is? Are you sure you're black?

I was born of a virgin.

[DMC]

It's not about political views. It's about your default response. Your default response is never neutral. It always favors authority. You seem to be an intelligent enough person, you just don't seem to have the ability to judge without applying a relatively significant bias. IMHO, I don't think you have what it takes to be a good lawyer. Note: I think you can be a successful lawyer. I just don't think you'll ever be a good lawyer...Which is fine. Mediocre successful lawyers are a dime a dozen tbh.

Really? Because it seems their rates are a bit higher than that.

[Trill Clinton]

y'all keep saying this man resisted arrest but he didn't. cops used way too much force. he wasn't kicking, swinging his arms, trying to get up when they had him on the ground. dude was murdered by the pussy ass cop for nothing. the fact y'all are saying he resisted is intellectually dishonest and evil.

[ohmwrecker]

Semantics are very important in cases like these. You cannot equivocate murder and homicide.

Either way, charges should have been filed.

[Blake]

The law says it's legal to choke a man to death?

Was he trying to choke him to kill him?

There's a law against resisting arrest for a reason. People get hurt and die while trying to resist arrest.

I think the family will and should sue for wrongful death, but I have a hard time charging a cop with felony manslaughter while trying to do his job.

[Cry Havoc]

This thread hurts my brain.

Cop chokes man

Man dies soon after

And we have people arguing about whether or not the choke killed him. As in, if the cop didn't choke him out he would have keeled over of his own accord that very same day.

[CosmicCowboy]

Grand jury got it wrong on this one.

Was that 4 on 1 beat down murder?

Probably not but a jury should have seen everything and been given the option of a lesser charge like negligent homicide. On the surface, having the guy saying "I can't breathe" until he CAN'T say it because he passed out seems pretty negligent.

[Blake]

This thread hurts my brain.

Cop chokes man

Man dies soon after

And we have people arguing about whether or not the choke killed him. As in, if the cop didn't choke him out he would have keeled over of his own accord that very same day.

Yeah, the medical examiner declaring "homicide" should have ended that before it began.

[ChumpDumper]

Officers should get their checkbooks ready.

[Blake]

Grand jury got it wrong on this one.

Was that 4 on 1 beat down murder?

Probably not but a jury should have seen everything and been given the option of a lesser charge like negligent homicide. On the surface, having the guy saying "I can't breathe" until he CAN'T say it because he passed out seems pretty negligent.

a cop choking someone in the act of arresting someone resisting is not illegal in the state of NY

[Cry Havoc]

a cop choking someone in the act of arresting someone resisting is not illegal in the state of NY

Yes it is. This isn't even debatable.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes it is. This isn't even debatable.

You are wrong. NTPD employee guidelines are not laws. Employee guideline says no choke holds, fine. NYPD guidelines also says no beards. Having a beard is not illegal.

[JoeTait75]

This case is far more egregious than Ferguson, IMO, but watch it vanish right down the memory hole. The NYC-based prestige media doesn't mind so much when its own police employs these kinds of tactics- and no big-city police department racially profiles more rigorously or is quicker with the truncheon and the chokehold than the NYPD. Better to make a big deal out of some podunk PD in Missouri.

[Cry Havoc]

You are wrong. NTPD employee guidelines are not laws. Employee guideline says no choke holds, fine. NYPD guidelines also says no beards. Having a beard is not illegal.

It's both a NYPD guidline AND a state law. Both expressly prohibit a choke-hold such as what happened.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's both a NYPD guidline AND a state law. Both expressly prohibit a choke-hold such as what happened.

Your source is?

[Blake]

Yes it is. This isn't even debatable.

then it's really odd he never got charged with simple "choking" or some other assault charge.

[Cry Havoc]

Your source is?

Every single news article covering this states as such.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justic...ury-chokehold/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5634186.html

https://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...rges-1.9676351

"Pantaleo now faces the prospect of command discipline and an Internal Affairs Bureau probe, police officials said. Police investigators will be closely looking at whether Pantaleo used excessive force, including a chokehold that is against NYPD protocol, said one law enforcement official."

IIRC reading it was outlawed in 1993.

[Cry Havoc]

then it's really odd he never got charged with simple "choking" or some other assault charge.

Yes, because police have never broken the law and gotten away with it before, right?

Blake getting his Blake on

Insinuating the system is perfect and would never indict someone who hasn't committed a crime

[Blake]

Every single news article covering this states as such.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justic...ury-chokehold/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5634186.html

https://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...rges-1.9676351

"Pantaleo now faces the prospect of command discipline and an Internal Affairs Bureau probe, police officials said. Police investigators will be closely looking at whether Pantaleo used excessive force, including a chokehold that is against NYPD protocol, said one law enforcement official."

IIRC reading it was outlawed in 1993.

Against protocol =/= against the law.

Focus.

[Cry Havoc]

Against protocol =/= against the law.

Focus.

So you think putting a chokehold on someone is legal? So I could theoretically walk up to you in the middle of NYC and put you into a choke hold until you pass out and the police would do nothing?

Serious question. I want to know how devoid from reality you are about processing this situation.

[Blake]

Yes, because police have never broken the law and gotten away with it before, right?

Blake getting his Blake on

Insinuating the system is perfect and would never indict someone who hasn't committed a crime

CH getting his logical fallacies on

[Cry Havoc]

CH getting his logical fallacies on

No. You're just an idiot. And I'm done with you.