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You belie your veracity when you rate Kerr so high. Nice sophistry though.
This is dumb. His Nets team just defended us better than anyone else to this point of the season; he has done that with the Nets and Grizz. That is at two different locales so even if your rationale was logical -it isn't- then you don't even meet your own standard.Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..
Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals..
As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..
Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach
Try harder. Maybe do some blind tech worship again or the like.
You belie your veracity when you rate Kerr so high. Nice sophistry though.
What has he done with the Nets? They have an average defense this season, and their defensive metrics are virtually the same as the 2nd half of last year after they turned it around with Kidd(once they established a little chemistry, obviously)..so ya, he hasn't done anything with the Nets, they are 20th in SRS and are under .500, they're worse than they were last year with Kidd..
Hollins has actually made their offense even worse(they ranked in the top 3 in isolation plays last year, they're somehow worse this season) than last year..sorry..
If they finish the season with a top 10 defense, I'll eat crow..
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Kerr, preacha, Milhouse's dad they are all the same mediocre
there's a reason why they all rotate between ESPN gigs and coaching gigs
@ biased Spurs fans already declaring Bud, who hasn't accomplished anything in this league as a head coach yet, as a top 5 coach in the NBA
If a head coach's job consists of motivating & holding players accountable, you would think that a lot of the X's & O's fall on the assistants. I think it's pretty hard to get an exact measure on most of the head coach's apart from the top couple.
Hollins will always fail in the long run because he doesn't believe in analytics or advanced stats. He insisted on closing games with Gay in Memphis instead of Allen, when the numbers clearly showed otherwise. That's why he got run.
You can't find an MLB manager now that doesn't at least pay lip service to Moneyball. It took 10-12 years, but the dinosaurs are gone. The NBA will be the same, and guys like Hollins will be reduced to TV gigs and talking about the good old days.
I never bought into the story that Hollins doesn't believe in analytics... Analytics themselves should be just another tool in an ample toolset that includes many other things, including coaching, mentoring, psychology, etc... even Pop doesn't play moneyball all the time...
I mean, what does Hollinger or Morey have to show for all the alleged superior number crunching? You don't need analytics to know Memphis has needed outside shooting for 3+ seasons now. Houston needs to put down the calculator and look at who's coaching.
Analytics are a great tool, but they're just that. There's much more behind the numbers.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/1/1...interview-2012
The coach has to be on board or it doesn't matter what the front office does.
Look at the roster. It is not hard to fathom. He has DWill and the corpse of Johnson and Garnett and a roster that goes maybe 7 deep.
Having that bottom roster at around .500 considering half their games have come against the West is overachieving in my book.
You are pulling up arbitrary stats that you have not shown to correlate to scoring points much less win then applying a value judgment to offense based on that ranking. Your statistical analysis is without basis and as I said before, you don't know how to evaluate.
But he didn't say he doesn't believe in analytics. He said the media nowadays builds all sorts of house of cards with analytics to prop up or knock down any given player, and he's right about that. By the numbers, Bonner should never see the floor over Splitter or Diaw, but sometimes matchups dictate he's the right guy for the job (like starting against OKC last playoffs). Now, Pop won't get ed at because he's Pop.
Well, I think that's why they parted ways primarily... but not necessarily because "he doesn't believe in analytics". I think he wanted to keep building Memphis one way and management thought the road was different. That happens.
Hollins made the Grizzlies a great team and made them play the right way despite adopting a style that wasn't followed elsewhere in the league (using two big men with a 7'2'' big man at the elbow and the other at the post).. He got them to be a top 3 defensive team for the better part of his coaching tenure. He got them to go to the WCF where they lost to the Spurs who were bent on revenge after the humiliation in 2011.
He was unceremoniously sacked by the Grizzlies establishment last year. The current team is more or less as good as the Hollins coached team except it has better perimeter players (Conley by improvement, Lee & Allen > Prince & Allen, old age Carter and so on).
For the Nets, which are a very flawed, overpaid squad, Hollins has not replicated the Grizzlies approach. Instead he has tried to make them play as a guard-forward oriented team, basically to their strengths and focused more on defense. He has empowered Teletovic and Bogdanovic to become starters and has lessened the need to depend upon Lopez/ Williams. They also iso less than last year when Iso-Joe dominated a lot of play.
The improvement has been in their defensive end, where they are far better than last year..and ranked around 13th in the league as compared to 18th last season.
When the Nets lose their dross and finetune their squad better, Hollins will really get them even better. As of now, he is make doing with a poorly constructed roster.
Bottomline.. He is a damn fine coach. More of a traditionaist but he is no Byron Scott or Brian Shaw.
Did you not see all the wide open shots we missed? And even a few close looks right at the basket. Classic night of cold shooting. The funny thing is even in the loss you could see we're light years ahead of Brooklyn.
Did you not see his guy prepared for our moves without the ball particularly off pnr and penetration? Did you not see them keep up with motion out of horns swinging the ball back and forth across the court 3 and 4 times where most teams give up wide open looks?
Yeah our shooting was but so was their outside of Televic or whatever his name is.
The Van Gundy you have listed as "Good" better be Jeff...Well if we're going to eliminate all the inexperienced, new coaches, then that doesn't leave too many to judge
Good: Thibs, Carlisle, Van Gundy, Spoelstra, Pop, Joerger
Average: Vogel, McHale, Tom Rivers, Casey, Wittman, Hollins, Stotts
Poor: Shaw, Scott, Saunders, Monty Williams, Brooks
That fat slob in Detroit is an absolute mess and somehow managed to ruin Drummond's potential
Did you not see them adjust the rims to be tighter than a bowstring?
That does not preclude anything.
Teleto 0/4 shooting...
Nets have lost back-to-back games by a combined 74 points
Might be time to hire a real coach soon, tbh, Hollins is lucky Byron Scott is in the NBA..
Nets have lost back-to-back games by a combined 74 points
Might be time to hire a real coach soon, tbh, Hollins is lucky Byron Scott is in the NBA..
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