NYPD chokedown of the fat black guy...

[Yonivore]

It's just hilarious that you don't get it.

Okay, it's funny. It's a mystery why you won't clue me in.

[ChumpDumper]

Okay, it's funny. It's a mystery why you won't clue me in.

i like having fun. No mystery in that.

[Yonivore]

i like having fun. No mystery in that.

Well, you're on your own then.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, you're on your own then.

Here?

Always have been.

[angrydude]

I don't care to follow the usual circlejerk arguments. Just chiming in here to say a no bill in this situation is ridiculous and that cop should have been prosecuted. IMHO this is a much better case to get upset about than that ferguson bull .

At the very least this is negligent manslaughter.

[Yonivore]

Interesting article on the real lesson of Eric Garner's death...

Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner

On the opening day of law school, I always counsel my first-year students never to support a law they are not willing to kill to enforce. Usually they greet this advice with something between skepticism and puzzlement, until I remind them that the police go armed to enforce the will of the state, and if you resist, they might kill you.

I wish this caution were only theoretical. It isn’t. Whatever your view on the refusal of a New York City grand jury to indict the police officer whose chokehold apparently led to the death of Eric Garner, it’s useful to remember the crime that Garner is alleged to have committed: He was selling individual cigarettes, or loosies, in violation of New York law…..

The problem is actually broader. It’s not just cigarette tax laws that can lead to the death of those the police seek to arrest. It’s every law. Libertarians argue that we have far too many laws, and the Garner case offers evidence that they’re right. I often tell my students that there will never be a perfect technology of law enforcement, and therefore it is unavoidable that there will be situations where police err on the side of too much violence rather than too little. Better training won’t lead to perfection. But fewer laws would mean fewer opportunities for official violence to get out of hand.

Bottom line: DON'T SUPPORT LAWS YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO KILL TO ENFORCE.

[ElNono]

^ thanks for sharing, Yoni. I actually don't necessarily agree with the construct and the conclusion, but it's a different viewpoint.

[spurraider21]

i think thats just deflecting the issue at hand. the issue at hand is how police encounters might escalate too quickly, whether police protocol needs to be corrected, or if these officers are simply in the wrong. not about cigarette taxes. its just trying to steer people away from the problem actually at hand and instead trying to have an entirely different argument. a diversion.

you can take any valid law we have, and say "well you can get killed while its being enforced, so maybe you shouldn't support that law"

- "well if we didnt have jaywalking laws, michael brown wouldn't have died"

[ElNono]

i think thats just deflecting the issue at hand. the issue at hand is how police encounters might escalate too quickly, whether police protocol needs to be corrected, or if these officers are simply in the wrong. not about cigarette taxes. its just trying to steer people away from the problem actually at hand and instead trying to have an entirely different argument. a diversion.

you can take any valid law we have, and say "well you can get killed while its being enforced, so maybe you shouldn't support that law"

- "well if we didnt have jaywalking laws, michael brown wouldn't have died"

That's my reaction: red-herring... you could just as easily make the argument that a law setting clear guidelines on police conduct could've been just as effective in avoiding this incident.

But, then again, it's practically routine to use cases like this as political crutches (on both sides of the ideological landscape).

[spurraider21]

That's my reaction: red-herring... you could just as easily make the argument that a law setting clear guidelines on police conduct could've been just as effective in avoiding this incident.

But, then again, it's practically routine to use cases like this as political crutches (on both sides of the ideological landscape).

yeah, i'm sure you've heard Rand Paul's take on this

hmm, somebody died at the hands of police... obviously time to start talking about my hatred for taxes

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting article on the real lesson of Eric Garner's death...

Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner


Bottom line: DON'T SUPPORT LAWS YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO KILL TO ENFORCE.

If I support a law against police chokeholds will the police all kill each other?

[velik_m]

Interesting article on the real lesson of Eric Garner's death...

Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner


Bottom line: DON'T SUPPORT LAWS YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO KILL TO ENFORCE.

If i'm not willing to kill, does that make me an anarchist?

[boutons_deux]

Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner

"Libertarians argue that we have far too many laws, and the Garner case offers evidence that they’re right."

that's evidence? It's not even original, Fox talkin heads already days ago blamed "laws" for EG's death.

libertarians, they're frauds, and Stephen I Carter,

P E, tell us again how they're NO EVIDENCE of cigarettes causing lung cancer!

[Yonivore]

i think thats just deflecting the issue at hand. the issue at hand is how police encounters might escalate too quickly, whether police protocol needs to be corrected, or if these officers are simply in the wrong. not about cigarette taxes. its just trying to steer people away from the problem actually at hand and instead trying to have an entirely different argument. a diversion.

you can take any valid law we have, and say "well you can get killed while its being enforced, so maybe you shouldn't support that law"

Well, to be fair, there are some laws we ARE willing to have the police kill to enforce, if necessary.

- "well if we didnt have jaywalking laws, michael brown wouldn't have died"

Maybe not, but this wouldn't happen...

Woman Violently Arrested After Jaywalking

[ChumpDumper]

Well, to be fair, there are some laws we ARE willing to have the police kill to enforce, if necessary.


Maybe not, but this wouldn't happen...

Woman Violently Arrested After Jaywalking

Oh so violent.

It's simple enough to tell cops not to be assholes. Are you willing to do that?

[boutons_deux]

More proof that the Repug racist operatives of the SCOTUS5 are "right" about "a lot has changed since the 1960s (so we gut the VRA)"

Bernard J. Tyson
Chairman and CEO of Kaiser Permanente

You would think my experience as a top executive would be different from a black man who is working in a retail or food service job to support his family.

Yet, he and I both understand the commonality of the black male experience that remains consistent no matter what the economic status or job le.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20141204174020-261404895-it-s-time-to-revolutionize-race-relations

[boutons_deux]

The New York police officer who killed Eric Garner has been sued three times for allegedly violating the cons utional rights of other blacks he and fellow cops arrested.

A 2013 federal court lawsuit alleges that Daniel Pantaleo and other officers subjected Darren Collins and Tommy Rice to “humiliating and unlawful strip searches in public view.”

They said Pantaleo “slapped and tapped” their testicles.

The officers insisted they acted reasonably and exercised their discretion, but the lawsuit was settled last year for $30,000.

Rylawn Walker’s 2012 lawsuit alleged Pantaleo and other officers falsely arrested him for marijuana. The charges against Walker were dismissed.

A third suit involved Kenneth Collins, who alleged Pantaleo violated his rights during a 2012 marijuana arrest, including “a degrading search of his genitals” (disposition unknown)

http://firedoglake.com/2014/12/06/ad...p-eric-garner/

rest of the article lists how police depts shoot blacks but hide the details, etc, etc, plus, as with gun registrations, there is no national database of police' 500+ shootings over the past few years.

[m>s]

what's the big deal, NYPD is just culling the population.

[boutons_deux]

New York City to pay $5.9 million to family of Eric Garner

New York City has reached a settlement with the family of Eric Garner, who died after being put in a chokehold by police last July, agreeing to pay $5.9 million to resolve the claim over his death, city officials said on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...e=domesticNews

[boutons_deux]

Bottom line: DON'T KILL PEOPLE WITH ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS

[russellgoat]

When are "liberals" gonna recognize they are guilty of his death because of their war against tobacco?

[boutons_deux]

When are "liberals" gonna recognize they are guilty of his death because of their war against tobacco?

keep digging, asshole

[Sportcamper]

Bottom line: DON'T KILL PEOPLE WITH ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS

It was a legal neck take down...Not a choke hold...

[boutons_deux]

Here's a news item that should warm the black hearts of all you Nazis, racist, KKKers, #BlueLivesMatter, #RedNeckLivesMatter

Eric Garner’s daughter in coma after suffering heart attack

https://nypost.com/2017/12/25/eric-garners-daughter-in-coma-after-suffering-heart-attack/

[boutons_deux]

NYPD finally fires cop who killed Eric Garner






https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/nyp..._campaign=1181