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if you believe people on a message board know greens impact on defense than I'm sure other teams and coaches/gms do too. Green will get payed what he's worth. He isn't as good of a player as Leonard hence he won't get as much money. Lol
Wait, does spurfan really think that a quote from a coach like that will influence the amount a free agent will be offered by GMs of opposing teams?
Has spurfan not heard of, I don't know, game tape?
And, it seems to work sometimes. I don't believe Splitter was making 9 mil (nor on pace to make) a year in Europe. But, we'll never know. We do know, that despite Pop's comments, Cheeago got paid so well here that many protested it as overpayment. Danny has done well, and will probably be rewarded just fine.
Yeah, because rep doesn't influence GMs at all. Totally didn't get Klay a max deal he didn't deserve...
Kawhi's defensive ceiling is somewhere near the Scottie Pippen realm. Danny Green is great and is needing some improvement, but, he's very close to his ceiling imho.
Sure, Pop is employing some psychology, but, he knows a thing or two and is being pretty honest in that assessment.
Or, put another way....LeBron never got visibly bummed out in the Finals when Danny Green entered the game.
Not a good example. You're trying to say that Danny will be underpaid by another team by showing a team overpaying their own player? Player overrating happens all the time, especially by teams who are not attractive FA destinations. Player underrating, based on NBA rotation minutes? Not so much. About the only thing that can stop another team from bidding on someone else's player are serious character issues. See: Blatche, Andray.
it's really just an issue of age, if green was younger, he'd get the max and at least a mansion with a bunch of hookers pleasuring him at all times
curious to see how long Chump can string chinook along
yes but Gary can hit them skins faster.At least Danny's off ball defense is better than Gary Neal's
KL is an elite defender. Danny is a really good one.
Relatively speaking?
everything is based on my theories.
Green was cut by a terrible Cleveland team, and picked up by the Spurs... suffice to say, that move has earned and will earn Danny millions of dollars. It was the best thing that ever happened to him.
Agreed. People here overrate on-ball defense and forget that a really good defense is a balance between on and off the ball defense.
That's why Kawhi is the best.
Pop doesn't discredit Green's defense but he genuinely thinks is vital for the team that Danny improves his off-ball defense.
If Kawhi takes the opposite best player like Lebron or Durant, Danny will play off the ball a lot and needs to improve that area of his game.
Last edited by wildchild; 12-07-2014 at 02:01 PM.
Pop starts Green, so clearly he doesn't undervalue him. He STARTS him on a championship caliber team. After he was cut by a lottery level Cavaliers team.
Advanced metrics (something FOs are using more and more these days) and actually watching Green play point to him being an elite defender and great role player. He's going to get offers regardless of what Pop says about him.
Which of his coach's quotes got him the max?
I think Pop is mostly talking about "doing your defensive work early" and "attention to detail". Danny is probably the best defender we have one on one, that is, when the opposing player is already in it's spot and comfortable with the ball. He has the length to force players to drive, he can block or swipe at the ball successfully if they do drive around him, but I think what Pop is talking about is the off the ball defense: preventing your man from getting to their sweet spots, working through screens to beat your man to the spot, that kind of stuff. It's not uncommon to see Danny having to catch up to his guy, be it running out to a shooter in the corner, or after getting stuck on a screen, IMO.
It's really nitpicking, Danny has evolved into a great defender, really, and if Pop wants more from him is because he feels he can get that from Danny. You would never hear him saying anything like that about Beli, because he already knows Beli can't get anywhere near that level.
I remember when Chinook started tracking the defensive efficiency of the different Spurs players last playoffs, particularly during the OK series. He provided his method: how often did a player the spurs player was defending score? Essentially on-ball defense. It sounded objective and a decent try.
Now, Pop said Green is good on-ball, but lacking still on off-ball d, so help defense. Sounds reasonable also.
Anyway, I realize after reading this thread now that Chinook is simply biased towards green, and I now seriously doubt the objectivity of the application of the seemingly objective method. Sad.
This is corroborates by my own evaluations of the defensive contributions of the players in the OK series after watching game 6 several times.
In any event, feeling sorry for Green, that he is not given credit, and particularly thinking Green deserves more money, etc, demonstrates Green fanboy status and biased views TBH.
As others have said, even if those takes were true, as a spurs fan I put the team's interest first and overpaying green would be stupid.
Green was given a chance by the spurs when he had been cut by terrible teams and been bouncing around the D league. He as been given a staring role on the Spurs when he would have otherwise been out of the NBA. He has a good salary, and is old enough that he has essentially no upside. He did great and feeling sorry for him or feeling he has been mistreated shows you are a green fan over a spurs fan, and I simply can't trust an objective application of an otherwise objective methodology.
tbh, there's little room for objectivity in sports... there's always a bias on reputation, fandom, etc... raw numbers alone never paint a complete picture, so filling the gap always takes some creativity that's bound to be influenced. It's just another opinion though, again, nothing inherently wrong with that.
While I agree that Kawhi's defensive ceiling is higher, his physical abilities/traits are overwhelming and pretty rare, I do think he benefits greatly from aesthetics, tbh..he has "the look" of an intimidating defensive player and he has more defensive highlights, due to his freakish arms/hands(like his legendary strip on Westbrook in game 6)..
Looking at the metrics, you could easily argue that Danny Green has been the best perimeter defender in the NBA this season..his adjusted defensive on/off is as good as any perimeter defender, and his opposition's production against him has been ridiculously low, so far this season..even looking at the raw numbers, his steals/blocks numbers have been very impressive..
Green's D, like Splitter's, isn't necessarily aesthetically pleasing, though..he doesn't physically harass opponents like Bruce Bowen or Tony Allen, he doesn't have Kawhi or Pippen-like freakish attributes, etc..Splitter is easily a better all-around defender than Duncan, for example, but won't receive the credit due to his style of defense..Pop also constantly downplays Splitter's impact, too
I don't agree with Chinook about Pop costing Green money, though..it's 2014, every team(other than maybe the Lakers
Green's defensive metrics are elite in every facet, not just Chinook's analysis
Leonard is just the type of player that gets you the ball. His defense has been great this year, best on the team tbh. His rebounding, help defense, playing the passing lanes, on ball, position, etc. has been on point practically every game. Ask yourself which position is harder to replace defensively, SF or SG?
^^24% of the Spurs' SF position has been allocated to Green, this season, almost as much as the SG position..
Anyways, they are the 2 best defensive players on the team, an elite defensive team, it's a shame they don't have a cute nickname like 'Splash Brothers'..
Tiago splitter..
I don't agree with Chinook about Pop costing Green money, though..it's 2014, every team(other than maybe the Lakers
Constantly calling him a blue collar guy didn't stop the spurs from paying him his worth...
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