The Difference With Black on Black Crime

[Koolaid_Man]

Lets not sit here and cloud the issue....sure there's ton of black on black crime but in almost 100% of the cases the black perp is prosecuted and sent to prison. So the justice system for black on black crime actually works. They're so tough on black on black crime till they even got that show called The First 48..... The problem is White cop on black crimes...those murders committed by white cops go unpunished and don't even see trial.

Therein lies the difference. Feign ignorance if you want...ohhh wait you arent feigning.

[The Gemini Method]

That's not always true...well, not here in South L.A. There's black-on-black crime that doesn't get solved. Yes, if they're caught they usually get convicted. However there are tons of Crips/Bloods killings, and drug-related killing that result in no arrests. Most white or non-black people use that claim. However, there are protest and groups that are trying to get things change and they don't use rioting or looting to get their message out. I believe there is also a talk show that deals with the homicide problem. It's on Thursdays at like 6. So there are tons of unsolved homicides within the black community. It's just seems the cop related ones seem to draw an immense slew of feedback that it gets brought out.

[spurraider21]

so op is cool with blacks getting killed as long as they're prosecuted. ok.

[DarrinS]

Im pretty sure a fairly large percentage go unsolved.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2013/0...-by-state.html

[spurraider21]

Im pretty sure a fairly large percentage go unsolved.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2013/0...-by-state.html

op isnt talking about unsolved cides... we know who killed trayvon, brown, garner. in that regard those are all "solved"

[Koolaid_Man]

Let me take my Kool hat off for a sec and educate you.

There's some truth to your crimes resolution claims. The problem is that 90% of cops are no different than the poor communities they police....Why? Because most cops come from poverty themselves and being a cop is too much responsibility for people coming out of poverty. Cops in 90% of cases are no different than crips and bloods from a mindset POV.

Rioting while fundamentally wrong is actually a necessary evil in order to raise awareness and the collective conscience in order to affect change. In laymens terms burn the mutha er down if they wont listen. Its no different a mindset when Nations decide to go to WAR over petty .

As for the attention on cops keep in mind they're the ones who claim to take an oath to protect and serve....they're the ones that want honor assigned to their service so they're the ones that should be held to a higher standard and scrutinized by their actions. It all goes back to their mindset based on what's likely a very poor upbringing similar to a lot of the poor communities they police. They hire guys that have very hateful racist views....guys with power complexes and mental disorders, etc etc.

It's time the good ole boy round the s up and kill them with impunity mindset is stopped. This country is moving foward with or without people like you, Spurraider, M>S, Besteva, Benefactor, etc. People like yall are slowly being drowned out by the more reasonable minded people of a newer generation. I'm proud to see ALL the races rallying against police brutality across this country as we type. I'm sure the cops are stunned as they didnt expect the ground swell of white and conservative support. Even Fox news seem to be on Eric Garners side. That is surprising.

Personally I feel if Blacks are treated in the real world by cops like they are on a football field by refs then the same rules in fairness would apply to all. Its a simple model to think about. Nothing more nothing less.

[m>s]

black on white crime is actually the disproportionate figure in this country...whenever it's white on black the media hides the races of those involved but on the rare occasion that it's white on black we never hear the end of it

[spurraider21]

@kool

- so u really think officer wilson, who had never fired a gun on duty before, woke up that morning thinking "hey u know what, i dno why but i really feel like going out there and killing a nig today. lets find one"

- cops commit brutality against whites too. they kill whites too. it's correct to say that proportionally speaking, blacks are more likely to be the victims. its also true that proportionally speaking, blacks are committing more crime. cops deal with criminals.

- i'm certain that there are racist cops who act unjustly. i also think that many of these cases aren't of that variety. from your perspective, it is literally impossible for a cop to kill a black person without a racial motive. i think that's flawed. if a large white man reached for and fought over an officers weapon, and later charged at him, i'm pretty sure he would be shot dead too. a white guy who was naked (on drugs) and clearly unarmed was shot for running at a police officer. i dont see the same people mourning over brown mourning over him. people saw the garner tape and got upset. did those same people get upset over dillon taylor? no.

- you also claim that you want to rally against police brutality regardless of race. but i dont see these same rallying cries when a white person is shot by the police. that's why i don't buy it when people say "this is about police brutality, not race." horse. .

- upon reflection, i realized how petty it is when people say "why are u so worried about michael brown... look at black on black crime in chicago!" when people say that, they're just trying to deflect and its just petty. just like how rand paul tried to blame the garner incident on cigarette taxes . at the same time, have you actually considered the raw figures? in 2011 the US saw about 12,600 cides. of those, about 6,300 victims were black. if you could go back and undo EVERY white-on-black murder in 2011, you know how many lives you would save? about 440. that means over 5,800 over the 6,300 victims would still be in the ground.

i'm not saying that makes it "ok" but to me it puts the "black lives matter" slogan into perspective. why do only 7% of black lives matter (the ones taken by whites). what about the other 93%... people act like interracial murder is the biggest problem facing the black community. its a big one. but its laughable to suggest its the biggest issue

[Koolaid_Man]

@kool

- so u really think officer wilson, who had never fired a gun on duty before, woke up that morning thinking "hey u know what, i dno why but i really feel like going out there and killing a nig today. lets find one"

- cops commit brutality against whites too. they kill whites too. it's correct to say that proportionally speaking, blacks are more likely to be the victims. its also true that proportionally speaking, blacks are committing more crime. cops deal with criminals.

- i'm certain that there are racist cops who act unjustly. i also think that many of these cases aren't of that variety. from your perspective, it is literally impossible for a cop to kill a black person without a racial motive. i think that's flawed. if a large white man reached for and fought over an officers weapon, and later charged at him, i'm pretty sure he would be shot dead too. a white guy who was naked (on drugs) and clearly unarmed was shot for running at a police officer. i dont see the same people mourning over brown mourning over him. people saw the garner tape and got upset. did those same people get upset over dillon taylor? no.

- you also claim that you want to rally against police brutality regardless of race. but i dont see these same rallying cries when a white person is shot by the police. that's why i don't buy it when people say "this is about police brutality, not race." horse. .

- upon reflection, i realized how petty it is when people say "why are u so worried about michael brown... look at black on black crime in chicago!" when people say that, they're just trying to deflect and its just petty. just like how rand paul tried to blame the garner incident on cigarette taxes . at the same time, have you actually considered the raw figures? in 2011 the US saw about 12,600 cides. of those, about 6,300 victims were black. if you could go back and undo EVERY white-on-black murder in 2011, you know how many lives you would save? about 440. that means over 5,800 over the 6,300 victims would still be in the ground.

i'm not saying that makes it "ok" but to me it puts the "black lives matter" slogan into perspective. why do only 7% of black lives matter (the ones taken by whites). what about the other 93%... people act like interracial murder is the biggest problem facing the black community. its a big one. but its laughable to suggest its the biggest issue

I am about to get some sex from a brazilian friend of mine...shes muy caliente so I will respond with a doozy to you later. Decent response from you though. Stay tuned for my rebuttal.

[spurraider21]

just to amend my previous post, i'm not suggesting we shove these incidents under the table. my reference to black on black crime was supposed to be more of an aside

[Koolaid_Man]

@kool

- so u really think officer wilson, who had never fired a gun on duty before, woke up that morning thinking "hey u know what, i dno why but i really feel like going out there and killing a nig today. lets find one"

- cops commit brutality against whites too. they kill whites too. it's correct to say that proportionally speaking, blacks are more likely to be the victims. its also true that proportionally speaking, blacks are committing more crime. cops deal with criminals.

- i'm certain that there are racist cops who act unjustly. i also think that many of these cases aren't of that variety. from your perspective, it is literally impossible for a cop to kill a black person without a racial motive. i think that's flawed. if a large white man reached for and fought over an officers weapon, and later charged at him, i'm pretty sure he would be shot dead too. a white guy who was naked (on drugs) and clearly unarmed was shot for running at a police officer. i dont see the same people mourning over brown mourning over him. people saw the garner tape and got upset. did those same people get upset over dillon taylor? no.

- you also claim that you want to rally against police brutality regardless of race. but i dont see these same rallying cries when a white person is shot by the police. that's why i don't buy it when people say "this is about police brutality, not race." horse. .

- upon reflection, i realized how petty it is when people say "why are u so worried about michael brown... look at black on black crime in chicago!" when people say that, they're just trying to deflect and its just petty. just like how rand paul tried to blame the garner incident on cigarette taxes . at the same time, have you actually considered the raw figures? in 2011 the US saw about 12,600 cides. of those, about 6,300 victims were black. if you could go back and undo EVERY white-on-black murder in 2011, you know how many lives you would save? about 440. that means over 5,800 over the 6,300 victims would still be in the ground.

i'm not saying that makes it "ok" but to me it puts the "black lives matter" slogan into perspective. why do only 7% of black lives matter (the ones taken by whites). what about the other 93%... people act like interracial murder is the biggest problem facing the black community. its a big one. but its laughable to suggest its the biggest issue

As a cop you have to wake up thinking about killing someone everyday because your life is on the line everyday....and if your assignment is the "ghetto" and you have no regard for black life for the hood you patrol in the ghetto then YES you wake up looking to kill a "nig" as you say...or at least pondering the sweet possibilities...

Cops deal with criminals you say? I say cops deal with criminals in different ways...it's no secret they treat "for the most part" white criminals differently than black criminals. The sentencing laws testify to that....although whites are smoking crack and crystal meth at rates unheard of in world history.

Cops can indeed kill a black without race being an issue so when they kill a black who's armed and looking to fire upon them they are justified...but when they kill all these unarmed black men (as they have been) then something different is typically the culprit and that something different is usually race related indifference. They don't see black men in themselves and so they're harsher and treat them as sub-human as they've typically been taught while growing up...

people don't "mourn" over whites being killed by cops because it's the exception not the norm....why do you think all the whites are protesting with and on behalf of blacks. Blacks are the sounding board to this type of cop behavior.....for all those %'s thrown about we cannot even begin to count the countless untold accounts and stories of police brutality and murder....sure blacks have killed blacks at high rates but it's more of a systemic issue related to poverty....Cops have no reason other than hate for one of another race. I would "kill" (not literally) for metrics on all the Cops that have killed and committed brutality against blacks that have never been reported or reported and ignored. I would say it's on par or way higher than any black crime stats....if such an "isolated" incident such as Eric Garner can get captured on tape imagine the taking place that's not being captured.

The biggest problem facing the black community is a culture of instant gratification based on systemic racism. Most blacks feel no one cares and thus the hopelessness sets in...rap music has made millions of young blacks seek a quick fix to life's problems...because after all what man of any race wouldn't like quick access to money, sex, and fame....I'm ok with talking about black folks issues but I'm just as comfortable talking about white man's evil deeds that perpetuate the stereotypes....you on the other hand refuse to have the white man error discussion. Therefore you have ZERO credibility as is the case with others like you.

[Avante]

In his book "Satchmo" Louis Armstrong talks about growing up in the Storyville area of New Orleans way back when. Storyville being like the Deep Ellum in Dallas, The Third Ward in Houston, Watts in LA etc. He talks about the violence and how a night didn't go by without hearing gun shots. He talks about how the cops simply didn't care, it was just...let those niggras kill themselves off...cool! So they stayed out of that area.

Tons of old black blues songs about ice picks, razors, pistols, killing, slicing.



How about...

"Gonna cut your throat mama, drink your blood like wine" Pegleg Howell 1926.

"Gonna take my dirk and stab her, then turn it round and round" Robert Lockwood 1941

"I'm gonna cut your throat baby, look down in your face and smile" Geechie Wiley 1930

[spurraider21]

Cops can indeed kill a black without race being an issue so when they kill a black who's armed and looking to fire upon them they are justified...but when they kill all these unarmed black men (as they have been) then something different is typically the culprit and that something different is usually race related indifference. They don't see black men in themselves and so they're harsher and treat them as sub-human as they've typically been taught while growing up...

so when cops kill unarmed white men (like they do, the media just doesn't make deal about it.. even for ones with video evidence like Dillon Taylor (youtube it), does that mean they are racist against whites?

people don't "mourn" over whites being killed by cops because it's the exception not the norm....why do you think all the whites are protesting with and on behalf of blacks. Blacks are the sounding board to this type of cop behavior.....for all those %'s thrown about we cannot even begin to count the countless untold accounts and stories of police brutality and murder....sure blacks have killed blacks at high rates but it's more of a systemic issue related to poverty....Cops have no reason other than hate for one of another race. I would "kill" (not literally) for metrics on all the Cops that have killed and committed brutality against blacks that have never been reported or reported and ignored. I would say it's on par or way higher than any black crime stats....if such an "isolated" incident such as Eric Garner can get captured on tape imagine the taking place that's not being captured.

cops kill more white people than black people on an annual basis

The biggest problem facing the black community is a culture of instant gratification based on systemic racism. Most blacks feel no one cares and thus the hopelessness sets in...rap music has made millions of young blacks seek a quick fix to life's problems...because after all what man of any race wouldn't like quick access to money, sex, and fame....I'm ok with talking about black folks issues but I'm just as comfortable talking about white man's evil deeds that perpetuate the stereotypes....you on the other hand refuse to have the white man error discussion. Therefore you have ZERO credibility as is the case with others like you.

white man has errors, i've never shied away from that. but if people don't have foresight and pursue instant gratification, that's their fault and their fault alone. anybody claiming otherwise is just playing the victim game, imo. when i see people who claim to be broke but drive decent cars or always wear jewelry, how can i feel badly for them and their poor life choices? if people don't pursue higher education and then complain about "the system" not allowing them to get high paying jobs, how can i feel badly for them?

do whites have certain unwritten privileges? yeah... they've done studies where people with identical credentials apply to the same jobs, and the one's with "black sounding" or "hispanic sounding" names are less likely to get called back for an interview. but don't lump me in with that category, my names is really ethnic sounding and not white sounding by any stretch. but successful white folks are generally educated and work a ton (excluding the inheritance recipients). you can blame the public school system, which has faults across the board, but i bet if you have somebody in a public school who is busting his balls to do well and prioritizes it above all else will find ways to succeed. anybody can go to community college

[Koolaid_Man]

so when cops kill unarmed white men (like they do, the media just doesn't make deal about it.. even for ones with video evidence like Dillon Taylor (youtube it), does that mean they are racist against whites?

Nope it means they killed a white man....to suggest whites are treated the same as blacks means you're a moron....plain and simple...Cops have an at ude towards blacks..they tend to lump us all in the same bucket irregardless of if one is a brain surgeon or one is a common street thug....therein lies the problem...professor Gates is a prime example of this....
cops kill more white people than black people on an annual basis

based on population numbers alone I imagine? How much you want to bet they aren't killing unharmed white people....prove your case or stop mixing apples and oragnes....ok guy
white man has errors, i've never shied away from that. but if people don't have foresight and pursue instant gratification, that's their fault and their fault alone. In some cases not all....it would be wise for you to pick up a book and learn history along with socio-economics...you like to sound like you're educated so you owe it to yourself.... anybody claiming otherwise is just playing the victim game, imo. when i see people who claim to be broke but drive decent cars or always wear jewelry, how can i feel badly for them and their poor life choices? again you're mixing apples and oranges...and if not your doing what the white cops do....lumping all blacks in the same bucket irregardless of success and social class....I know for a fact I'm in a higher social class than you but that doesn't stop you from looking down on me... ;-) if people don't pursue higher education and then complain about "the system" not allowing them to get high paying jobs, how can i feel badly for them? - not asking you to feel bad for all black people....some choose a life of crime while others work hard to get out of the hood but so poor they can't...but not all have the same opportunities....some due to being products of their environments cannot even qualify for community college...

do whites have certain unwritten privileges? yeah... they've done studies where people with identical credentials apply to the same jobs, and the one's with "black sounding" or "hispanic sounding" names are less likely to get called back for an interview. but don't lump me in with that category, my names is really ethnic sounding and not white sounding by any stretch. but successful white folks are generally educated and work a ton (excluding the inheritance recipients). you can blame the public school system, which has faults across the board, but i bet if you have somebody in a public school who is busting his balls to do well and prioritizes it above all else will find ways to succeed. anybody can go to community college....sure some do bust their balls to succeed...and Kudo's to them...not every black person in the world deserves a chance because they're black...I'm speaking of the decent black people out there who're trying like to make a difference. or even those who are just minding their own business like Trayvon and Eric Garner...

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[spurraider21]

i haven't encountered a stat that breaks down the amount of unarmed kills. but unarmed in most cases is moot... shooting are based on perceived threats, not threats. michael brown was unarmed, but he was going for a gun. it's different on a case by case basis. the cops shot a NAKED white dude... when he's naked you know he has no weapon, where could he be hiding it, up his ass? it happens

as for the numbers of more whites than blacks being killed, yeah its a result of population totals. based on the stats its about a 2:1 ratio when it should be closer to 6:1... but at the same time statistics show blacks are more likely to be involved in criminal activity, so to expect the same proportions based on populations is an unrealistic expectation

there's no such thing as not qualifying for community college

[Koolaid_Man]

i haven't encountered a stat that breaks down the amount of unarmed kills. but unarmed in most cases is moot... shooting are based on perceived threats, not threats. michael brown was unarmed, but he was going for a gun. it's different on a case by case basis. the cops shot a NAKED white dude... when he's naked you know he has no weapon, where could he be hiding it, up his ass? it happens

as for the numbers of more whites than blacks being killed, yeah its a result of population totals. based on the stats its about a 2:1 ratio when it should be closer to 6:1... but at the same time statistics show blacks are more likely to be involved in criminal activity, so to expect the same proportions based on populations is an unrealistic expectation

there's no such thing as not qualifying for community college

so says the guy with blinders on....get a clue dude...oh wait never mind...

[m>s]

GAS THE S, RACE WAR NOW!!!

[Expert]

So it's ok to be dishonorable as long as you didn't take an oath. People who try and fail should be scrutinized heavier than people who never tried.

Sounds like a personal life experience for the OP.

[spurraider21]

so says the guy with blinders on....get a clue dude...oh wait never mind...

well thought out response

[Expert]

i haven't encountered a stat that breaks down the amount of unarmed kills. but unarmed in most cases is moot... shooting are based on perceived threats, not threats. michael brown was unarmed, but he was going for a gun. it's different on a case by case basis. the cops shot a NAKED white dude... when he's naked you know he has no weapon, where could he be hiding it, up his ass? it happens

as for the numbers of more whites than blacks being killed, yeah its a result of population totals. based on the stats its about a 2:1 ratio when it should be closer to 6:1... but at the same time statistics show blacks are more likely to be involved in criminal activity, so to expect the same proportions based on populations is an unrealistic expectation

there's no such thing as not qualifying for community college

Mike Brown no longer qualifies

[SnakeBoy]

Lets not sit here and cloud the issue....sure there's ton of black on black crime but in almost 100% of the cases the black perp is prosecuted and sent to prison. So the justice system for black on black crime actually works. They're so tough on black on black crime till they even got that show called The First 48..... The problem is White cop on black crimes...those murders committed by white cops go unpunished and don't even see trial.

Therein lies the difference. Feign ignorance if you want...ohhh wait you arent feigning.

Cops are rarely prosecuted. It isn't a racial issue.