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more than gang related, more than child abuse killings in Utah.
In Utah, it's the second leading category of homicide, after shooting by family members.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842489-1...outpacing-gang
more than gang related, more than child abuse killings in Utah.
Yes, it does. The crime rate may be lower but, crime is being concentrated in areas that have all but become war zones.
That wasn't the question. How do you compare trust in the police with trust in criminals?
Trust in public officials, especially police, should be a pretty damn high priority...no matter what Yoni thinks...
LOL how did he inflame Brown? And even if he did inflame Brown, does that give Brown the right to punch Wilson, try and take his gun, and then charge at him? Get the out of here with your bull .
Fair enough.
Although I think maybe the last paragraph, for the author, informs the preceding ones.
you kidding? if the last paragraph was about the flying spaghetti monster my enjoyment would have increased tenfold
Dorian feared retaliation so he cut a deal where if he told the truth he would be protected and his statements wouldn't be released. Dorian didn't want to be the next Deandre Joshua.
If there were some showable correlation between use of force complaints and high crime areas, there might be something to what you're saying. The broader social complaint seems to be that LEOs are using tactics devised for high crime areas and high pressure situations in routine interactions, and often not in reaction to any deadly threat, but for mere noncompliance, or for contemptuous words. Or for pot misdemeanors. Or for fancifully contrived perceptions of threat based on well rehearsed LE jargon.
Last I checked, Americans still have cons utional rights inside and outside of high crime areas.
Do you think LEOs are (or should be) above accountability to the laws they enforce?
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-08-2014 at 02:33 PM.
not if you're one of 200M citizens in the militarized TSA/Border Patrol zones. and the Repugs will make that horrendous situation worse in the next 2 years if Obama can't block them.
No doubt but, the examples being paraded across this forum don't prove the case.
Brown was in the commission of a felony that threatened the life of the officer when he was shot.
Garner was resisting arrest and, on top of that, was in no physical condition to exert himself or withstand what some might call a relatively minor restraint technique.
As for the 12 year-old being shot, I think that was less a matter of police overreach than one of that officer being unsuitable for the job.
I think the cases that better illustrate your point are the "no knock" warrants that have resulted in carnage on both sides of the equation - police and innocent civilians alike. Unfortunately for the Al Sharpton wing of the aggrieved, there isn't a clear pattern of race involved in those so, no one is burning down cities and being invited to the White House to solve the American crisis.
Your prim dismissal of the rather obvious dangers of using a headlock -- which you seem to have borrowed from your MSM masters -- totally notwithstanding, NYPD seems to think there's a liability issue. They've banned the technique for NYC cops.Garner was resisting arrest and, on top of that, was in no physical condition to exert himself or withstand what some might call a relatively minor restraint technique.
There is a liability issues, people like Mr. Garner might die. I've already stated that if the NYPD has banned the technique, the officer should be held accountable and, further, that I'm sure a wrongful death suit would be in order.
I didn't dismiss it however, I am fairly certain that technique has been used by that police officer an innumerable amount of times before his unfortunate encounter with Mr. Garner. It's not normally associated with being lethal... , high school buddies choke each out out all the time.
My point was that your complaint has merit but, is not supported by the cases being discussed. If you want concrete support for your cause, point to some of the REAL cons utional violations such as occurs during no-knock warrants on the wrong address where the occupant dies trying to defend himself against what he understandably perceives as a violent intruder. That happens more than police officers gunning down unarmed criminal elements in the crime-ridden neighborhoods of our cities.
My 2 cents…
The move was more of a headlock take down, not a true choke hold…Teenage boys rough housing do that to each other all the time & nobody dies…The situation was unfortunate but the deceased obesity and poor health contributed to his death…
I take it your are limiting yourself to the three cases you mentioned, but there is a much wider universe of violent police encounters that people are right to be pissed about. I do agree that many of the cases selected for mediagenic outrage are far from ideal vehicles for the grievance, but that does not disconfirm the validity of the grievance itself.My point was that your complaint has merit but, is not supported by the cases being discussed. If you want concrete support for your cause, point to some of the REAL cons utional violations such as occurs during no-knock warrants on the wrong address where the occupant dies trying to defend himself against what he understandably perceives as a violent intruder. That happens more than police officers gunning down unarmed criminal elements in the crime-ridden neighborhoods of our cities.
Do you see the arbitrary use of deadly and excessive force against citizens as a problem? A simple yes or no will do.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-08-2014 at 03:20 PM.
Well, to be fair, you are in a thread led, "The Ferguson Indictment (on Justice)."
Yes. Although, I'm not sure I would use the term "arbitrary," but, instead, "capricious."
Now, do I believe there are larger problems, related to public safety, than police use of force?
Yes.
Just to illustrate a couple.
So we agree that the capricious violence of LE against citizens is a problem.
Presumably, stressing other problems does not minimize, nor does it solve the problem.
Do you think LE should be held to account for arbitrary force, deadly home invasion techniques and unlawful shootings?
Yes.
Some might argue the other problems are leading to the capriciousness of the police. I know I would.
Yes.
we really need or a wing-nut conspiracy theory icon in this forum....No crime had been committed in the convenience store...the owner of the store and Brown had an 'incident' but Brown paid for his cigarillos and the store owners never called police...Brown was in the commission of a felony that threatened the life of the officer when he was shot.
....a person who was in the store mistook the incident as a strong arm robbery and called police...but no police report was ever filed by the store owners...
Not the crime I was talking about; aggravated assault on a peace officer and attempted capital murder were the crimes to which I was referring. But, I am intrigued. That's the first time I've heard Brown was not being accused of a crime at the convenience store.
I'm not sure what actually happened at the convenience store is even relevant to the discussion; it's certainly not why he was shot.
What problems, besides driving while intoxicated, are you referring to?
let me introduce a theory different from Wilson's version...Brown and his friend were walking down the street, Brown is already hot because of his 'incident with the convenience store owner..a few words ...probably involving the N-word are exchanged.....Brown and his friend walk down the street...a few blocks later officer Wilson comes along...tells them to move to the side of the road....Brown is alreay hot, but he reluctantly obligates .....not without a few smart ass comments typical of teens...Not the crime I was talking about; aggravated assault on a peace officer and attempted capital murder were the crimes to which I was referring
.....Wilson pulls along side Brown and his friend and in typical cops fashion pulls in front of them to cut them off..
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