We won't be seeing a black swimmer win an Olympic gold medal in my life time, yep a racist statement but it's also a fact.
I'm confused. Obviously racism and stereotyping are different. The point is, do you agree that right is right and wrong is wrong or no? It's not a general thing, it's very specific. It's the old stealing a nickel from a millionaire vs stealing a miillion dollars from a bank question. Despite there being a difference in impact, is one less wrong?
Well then you'd be wrong.
Anytime you do anything based on race alone that is racism.
There is a dating site out there for blacks only, yep, racism.
You are talking about morality now. That's not really where I was going with this. I don't really understand your analogy either. Now, if you want to know if I see a moral distinction between a poor man stealing bread to feed his family and a investment broker robbing honest people of their savings? Yes. I do.
I think the point is how can there not be any sort of bias/oppression if we acknowledge there are differences? Doesn't that lead to a stereotype which could lead to someone getting something they might not deserve or winning the 50/50 based on that certain difference?
I'm more about intent than anything else. It's not about what you say (within reason), but what your intent is. If someone isn't completely ignorant, and not meaning any harm, I don't lable them a racist.
It's tricky though. It would be very dicey for a white commentator to say during an NBA broadcast "that black men are just better at basketball than white men because black men are better athletes". But we have all heard black broadcasters make fun of white players that can't dunk or that they are "surprised" he can jump like that. Why is that? To me, the intent is what is important. Shifting the convo some but these types of conversations always lead to many different topics because they are complex.
What is happening here is your.....all you racists in hiding.....isn't going to work. We are all racists, we all understand how things are.
You know my thing for track, I'm telling you it's totally ridiculous the differences we see there between black and white. We white guys can't run, it's a simple as that. That is a fact if there ever was one. Yep I'm a racist, but I;m only dealing with reality.
It's more about racism and you reducing any possible racism that exist in the NFL towards whites to "it's just entertainment". That led me to ask you if you draw different lines in the sand for "different" levels of racism.
But the point of the OP and addressing that, this person seemed to deserve that. But things like the Sterling case become more difficult for me to digest.
There are a lot of white players in the NFL. It doesn't appear that there is a great injustice being done.
I think you should look at the percentages. It's almost 70% black. That would be like me saying there's a lot of black CEO's. I agree that that impact is not nearly as severe - but that was kind of my entire point right being right and wrong being wrong.
There are ...0...white cornerbacks.
There are...two/three...white running backs.
A dozen or so white receivers.
And no, I'm not saying the NFL is racist because of that (that was the initial joke). The reason it's 70% black is because those 70% are better football players that happen to be black.
I get what you're saying, but this kind of thing is usually messy and ugly. The important thing is that the truth comes out clean. That some kind of progress is made.
I met Cullen Jones (briefly). He was the guest speaker at an event I attended. He is very cool/funny. Ironically, part of his speach was making race related jokes ("For those of you that don't know me, I'm an Olympic Gold Medal Swimmer. I know - when I first got up here, none of you thought "swimmer"")
I'm torn on that. I guess if it's for the greater good sure. But I'm a firm believer that progress isn't really progress if it comes at the expense of something else (i.e. racism being out at the sake of personal privacy being given up)
I was obviously talking about an individual gold not a relay.
Right. That's why I don't see an injustice toward whites in the NFL. The whole idea is fairly preposterous.
He also won an individual silver and you are so sure he or any other black people can'twin a gold.
It's those like yourself that are the problem, you can't understand how it's ok to address the obvious differences, it doesn't have to be a negative at all. But it is racism.
I don't think (me personally) that it's fair to just dismiss certain types of possible racism because they may be smaller forms or "less important/impactful". Racism is racism to me and is wrong in any form.
I also don't see why it's not proposterous when it comes to "white quarterbacks". Why can't the fact there are more white qb's just be because those players just happen to be better? Everything always gets drilled down. But there's a lot more to it. Even within sports. How do coaches in youth treat kids? What do they teach them? Do they set them up for long-term success?
That's right, very confident. How many Olympics have we had and it hasn't happened yet.
I think it's a slippery slope for sure. One that everyone should keep a close eye on. With Sterling, the NBA wanted him gone and got awfully dirty to accomplish that. I think it's important to not let those tactics become commonplace. Sterling was a very specifically horrible person though.
And here is a black person who won gold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Nesty
Im a Captain in the Army, we are held down on a beach by machine gun fire and our phone won't work, I need a message sent to a sergent about a half mile away, I'm looking for a black guy to run my message down the beach. Simply how it is.
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