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    That being said, anyone reasonably healthy that can pass a drug sreen can go to truck driving school and in two months be making 80K+ a year right now in Texas. I have zero sympathy for healthy people that say they can't find a job anywhere.

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    This is absolutely true. Sad but true. Any job that requires years of training to be competent is going to favor youth over age. Factor in age based health care premiums/cost and unemployed in their late 50's and early 60's are ed.
    It's not even that... Plenty of people that already have years of training and even on-the-job experience gets passed over... I think there's many factors, including being much easier to take advantage of kids when it comes to working overtime, and some of the other stuff you listed...

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    That being said, anyone reasonably healthy that can pass a drug sreen can go to truck driving school and in two months be making 80K+ a year right now in Texas. I have zero sympathy for healthy people that say they can't find a job anywhere.
    Not very familiar with truck driving... but isn't that the kind of job that keeps you away from family?

    FWIW, the average truck driver salary in Texas is $50k... not sure where did you get the 80K figure...

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    it pays so well for such a ty lifestyle, that there's a huge deficit in big rig drivers, seems like money ain't big enough to offset the ty lifestyle, Smokey Bear

    "According to these new rules, a truck driver can drive for a maximum of 11 continuous hours, in a 14-hour work day, after which they are required to take a mandatory rest period of 10 hours before getting behind the wheel of their truck again. In any seven-day period, the truck can be on the road for 60-77 hours, and in an eight-day period, the truck can be driven between 70-88 hours. If the truck and its driver have been off the road for two and a half days continuously, they then can start their week at zero hours."

    http://www.legalinfo.com/content/tru...-the-road.html


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    article on automation, which is related:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/up...o-keep-up.html

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    Not very familiar with truck driving... but isn't that the kind of job that keeps you away from family?

    FWIW, the average truck driver salary in Texas is $50k... not sure where did you get the 80K figure...
    Google is your friend. Just look at the companies running ads.

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    The guys running tankers in South Texas are knocking down at least that and more. If average includes all drivers in Texas maybe your $50K AVERAGE is accurate. San Antonio is definitely South Texas and those jobs are available to anyone with a CDL that can pass a drug screen and most companies will pay for them getting the CDL...and even if it was $50,000 a year those jobs are still available to those that want to work.

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    Google is your friend. Just look at the companies running ads.
    I did.

    http://www.indeed.com/salary/Truck-Driver.html
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/tr...RCH_KO0,12.htm
    http://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportatio...ck-drivers.htm

    2011, per state breakdown:
    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckerreport.html

    Interesting read:
    http://www.truckingtruth.com/truckin...hind-the-wheel

    That's not to say there's specific areas where you can make some more, but I think the expectations should probably be towards the median, not the outliers...

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    I did.

    http://www.indeed.com/salary/Truck-Driver.html
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/tr...RCH_KO0,12.htm
    http://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportatio...ck-drivers.htm

    2011, per state breakdown:
    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckerreport.html

    Interesting read:
    http://www.truckingtruth.com/truckin...hind-the-wheel

    That's not to say there's specific areas where you can make some more, but I think the expectations should probably be towards the median, not the outliers...
    Lets assume your low number is correct. There are jobs going begging that pay $50,000+ that don't require anything but a heartbeat, and a driver that can pass a drug test. Some will even give a $5000 signing bonus and train them.

    So all you guys crying a river because young, old, black, brown, etc. can't get a good job because they just aren't available are dead wrong.

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    , I have a nephew that is borderline idiot that got a job two years ago with a fracking company doing manual labor and two years later he is the safety officer for one mancamp dispatch yard pulling down 75K a year.

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    , I have a nephew that is borderline idiot...two years later he is the safety officer for one mancamp
    That's nice.

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    Jobs are around people just don't want THOSE jobs. If less people came out of college with degrees in communication, psychology, political science and the arts there'd probably be more opportunities for them. What's more or at least just as important is having a skill that's sought after and a great work ethic. Too much of a premium has been put on getting a degree and not the right degree. A degree means nothing if it doesn't teach you a skill that is in demand. Another thing is having patience. A degree isn't necessarily a ticket to your dream or even career job. If you're educated but don't have much work experience or any, be patient and get a job in any ing field and build a decent work résumé. Not saying the economy hasn't been and isn't the sole or primary reason some people have been ed in the ass. But "some" isn't not "most" and I feel a lot of people have ed themselves more than the economy has ed them but don't want too look in the mirror and would rather point fingers and use the economy as a scapegoat.

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    Lets assume your low number is correct. There are jobs going begging that pay $50,000+ that don't require anything but a heartbeat, and a driver that can pass a drug test. Some will even give a $5000 signing bonus and train them.

    So all you guys crying a river because young, old, black, brown, etc. can't get a good job because they just aren't available are dead wrong.
    C'mon CC, we're not "crying a river"...

    For starters, you'll need a truck. You could lease, but that means you're basically committing to that, and from what I read the profit margins are extremely thin, which makes leasing a even riskier proposition.

    But it's besides the point. You could get jobs at Walmart, McDonalds, picking fruits in the field... but unless that's your thing, they're just dead end jobs. How long until you're replaced with a cheap mexican trucker?

    I think what angrydude was pointing out is that kids are spending a load of money training for good, career jobs that are not there anymore or are just available part-time.

    We trained a lot of people for alleged "jobs of the future" like IT, graphic design, etc... they're capable, experienced people, some of them with a lot of years in the field, but nowadays they can't compete with India's pay scale or standard of living.

    There's many factors at play, and certainly some people being lax is one of them, but the job market, when it comes to good quality jobs, is really ed up right now, IMO.

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    There's many factors at play, and certainly some people being lax is one of them, but the job market, when it comes to good quality jobs, is really ed up right now, IMO.
    So, do you agree that global free trade is a bad idea?

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    So, do you agree that global free trade is a bad idea?
    Never been a fan of all-out "globalization"... I also don't like full-blown isolationism... there should be a middle-ground.

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    Never been a fan of all-out "globalization"... I also don't like full-blown isolationism... there should be a middle-ground.
    Yep.

    They are called tariffs.

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    There's no silver bullet, IMO. Tariffs would address trade concerns, but likely won't do anything to deter outsourcing service jobs, and cause other side effects, like effectively reducing our own standard of living through inflation.

    Market purists will also probably complain, as tariffs are a distortion of the free market. It's a complex, multi-pronged problem that will require a multi-pronged solution.

    I think the we're undergoing the free-market solution: wait it out. As other economies grow due to the high demand, theoretically their standard of living goes up, making them less compe ive and thus, us more compe ive again. The problem I have with this rationale is that it assumes the compe ion also works in the free market, but that's largely not true. Countries like China, India, etc apply fairly big market distortions themselves to remain compe ive and perpetuate the cycle.

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    There's no silver bullet, IMO. Tariffs would address trade concerns, but likely won't do anything to deter outsourcing service jobs, and cause other side effects, like effectively reducing our own standard of living through inflation.

    Market purists will also probably complain, as tariffs are a distortion of the free market. It's a complex, multi-pronged problem that will require a multi-pronged solution.

    I think the we're undergoing the free-market solution: wait it out. As other economies grow due to the high demand, theoretically their standard of living goes up, making them less compe ive and thus, us more compe ive again. The problem I have with this rationale is that it assumes the compe ion also works in the free market, but that's largely not true. Countries like China, India, etc apply fairly big market distortions themselves to remain compe ive and perpetuate the cycle.
    Pfff. No. Wild Cobra knows all. These problems are simple and he can solve them all by uttering a single word. That's how brilliant he is. Economists with doctorates who have studied and postulated their entire lives just aren't up to the task.

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    A lot of those people come here to escape poverty. The US is creating that poverty.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531

    They would rather go to a rich country that hadn't created the poverty in their country but it's not that easy if you're poor so they go to the rich country that created the poverty in their country.

    There's a lot of work here because American products need so much maintenance.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240413

    American products are designed to have a short life so there's a lot of factory work to make more products. If the US had to buy all of stuff it steals from the third world, it would have to make products with a much longer life and there wouldn't be so many jobs but without theft by the US, there wouldn't be so much poverty abroad and there would be fewer poor people trying to immigrate here.
    That's a different topic for a different thread... which is why they're on a different thread already.

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    Pfff. No. Wild Cobra knows all. These problems are simple and he can solve them all by uttering a single word. That's how brilliant he is. Economists with doctorates who have studied and postulated their entire lives just aren't up to the task.
    He's certainly en led to his opinion, he'll get that from me.

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    Economists with doctorates who have studied and postulated their entire lives just aren't up to the task.
    As a class they are mostly useless sycophants of the Fed, as in totally missing the housing/credit bubble of the mid 2000s, just like Greenspan.

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    I expect inflation. We have become complacent in lower prices, and are selling our national soul for these cheap ,imports, at the expense of manufacturing jobs. It is a necessary step to address trade.

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    We just jacked up tariffs on Chinese solar panels yesterday. End result is solar gets more expensive while oil gets cheaper. Some real bright minds at work there in Washington.

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    We just jacked up tariffs on Chinese solar panels yesterday. End result is solar gets more expensive while oil gets cheaper. Some real bright minds at work there in Washington.
    so you would let China kill the US solar mfrs like they killed so many US mfr sectors?

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