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    Cotto vs Ginger will not be happening on Cinco De Mayo. Floyd will announce his opponent, which will be Khan, and he'll have that date.
    I have a feeling floyd will fight khan but anyone with a brain would want to see cotto vs alvarez over that .

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    Was much better in those days, although chicken-bowe did duck Lewis.
    That was rock newman. Why was Lewis duck worthy in 92? That was rock newman's way of giving the wbc the middle finger in trying to control the champ. Lewis had a chance to fight bowe prior to that but declined. That's the thing no one ever talks about. Bowe would have destroyed lewis. That was rock newman's doing.

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    yep, way to take 2 lines from a full quote to try and make an argument . That's what we call "fox news ". Where's the full quote with that text highlighted? I'll help you out..

    he didn't "knock out" foreman, foreman was tired from all of those punches. haha. Foreman has one of the best chins in the history of boxing. Ali did get the ko win, but he held, and held, took punches, held, pulled his head in, held and held and then ko'd him in round 8. Let's not rewrite history as if Ali went in the ring and just beat the out of foreman for 8 rounds before stopping him. Cmon now. You may have gotten away with that in the 80s, but we are in a youtube era with guys that even if they haven't seen the fight before can just type it in their browser. Like I said earlier, boxing is an acquired taste. When people see the unskillful Gatti/Ward fights, they feel every match should be that way and that's just not what boxing is. Not even SRR had a lot of fights like that. Ali didn't even have a lot of fights like that since you've mentioned him. Bottom line, Ali after exile was a boring fighter. And I don't want anyone to think I'm some die hard mayweather fan because I have always said that if he didn't duck Mosley back in 99, we would not know mayweather right now. Mosley was at 135 and mayweather was at 130 and mosley wanted to get a fight with him, but Mayweather cleverly turned him down. Imagine if a young Mosley would have had mayweather in 99 hurt like he did a few years ago. He woudln't have made it past round 5. I promise you this.
    My opinion like everyone else's mean absolutely nothing. It's just an opinion, so I deal with facts that actually happened. Notice the quotation marks.

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    yep, way to take 2 lines from a full quote to try and make an argument . That's what we call "fox news ". Where's the full quote with that text highlighted? I'll help you out..



    My opinion like everyone else's mean absolutely nothing. It's just an opinion, so I deal with facts that actually happened. Notice the quotation marks.
    i included the quotation marks in my post

    i didnt think the rest was relevant. he got a knockout and you tried to tell us all how it wasn't a knockout

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    i included the quotation marks in my post

    i didnt think the rest was relevant. he got a knockout and you tried to tell us all how it wasn't a knockout
    If you dont understand what I was saying while including the quotation marks in the full post, then there is nothing else I can do to help you. I'm sorry.

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    If you dont understand what I was saying while including the quotation marks in the full post, then there is nothing else I can do to help you. I'm sorry.
    nobody said it has to be a tyson-esque beatdown to be a knockout. everybody knows that Ali wasn't out there as a power puncher. but it was a knockout.

    unless you count the victor ortiz one (lol), FMJ hasn't knocked anybody out since 1999

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    nobody said it has to be a tyson-esque beatdown to be a knockout. everybody knows that Ali wasn't out there as a power puncher. but it was a knockout.

    unless you count the victor ortiz one (lol), FMJ hasn't knocked anybody out since 1999
    No arguments from me. He's not a ko fighter. And had he not taken advantage of ortiz with his hands down after headbutt, it was gonna be another long uneventful fight with a decision.

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    Pac-man is back. Those losses (one which was luck by the other as Manny was dominating that fight before that blind KO jab), were when Manny was focusing on politics and a music career. He has dropped both since and he look like the old Manny the last game.

    Floyd is a pussy. He doesn't want to fight Manny right now because he knows he will lose.

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    That was rock newman. Why was Lewis duck worthy in 92? That was rock newman's way of giving the wbc the middle finger in trying to control the champ. Lewis had a chance to fight bowe prior to that but declined. That's the thing no one ever talks about. Bowe would have destroyed lewis. That was rock newman's doing.
    Because Lewis was the worst type of fighter. He attracted nearly 0 interest, 0 draw, and had a solid 80% chance of defeating Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield at that time. I respect the out of Lewis.

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    Because Lewis was the worst type of fighter. He attracted nearly 0 interest, 0 draw, and had a solid 80% chance of defeating Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield at that time. I respect the out of Lewis.
    lewis pre-steward was right hand crazy, off balance, and had the same glass chin. He had NO CHANCE at beating bowe or holyfield back then. When lewis started developing a name for himself, tyson was in prison btw. Don king paid lewis step aside money to try and unify the le in 96 and take the "easy" fight with holyfield though. Rid howe would have beat the fuk outta lewis in 93. no contest. Bowe was a warrior. I've never seen that fight in which lewis went out in his prime and could stand and bang with a puncher like that.

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    "The other night I think he did 4,000 (attendance), so, Amir Khan, his name holds no weight," Mayweather said. "No one knows who Amir Khan is except people who are involved in boxing. My focus is Manny Pacquiao. Let's make it happen."

    Yes!

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    That was rock newman. Why was Lewis duck worthy in 92? That was rock newman's way of giving the wbc the middle finger in trying to control the champ. Lewis had a chance to fight bowe prior to that but declined. That's the thing no one ever talks about. Bowe would have destroyed lewis. That was rock newman's doing.
    Got to disagree bowe could barely handle evander, nothing against holyfield but he was much smaller than bowe and gave him trouble.

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    lewis pre-steward was right hand crazy, off balance, and had the same glass chin. He had NO CHANCE at beating bowe or holyfield back then. When lewis started developing a name for himself, tyson was in prison btw. Don king paid lewis step aside money to try and unify the le in 96 and take the "easy" fight with holyfield though. Rid howe would have beat the fuk outta lewis in 93. no contest. Bowe was a warrior. I've never seen that fight in which lewis went out in his prime and could stand and bang with a puncher like that.
    He was a warrior when he had a huge physical advantage. How could you not fight someone, when you're a fighter and they are publicly calling you chicken?

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    lewis pre-steward was right hand crazy, off balance, and had the same glass chin. He had NO CHANCE at beating bowe or holyfield back then. When lewis started developing a name for himself, tyson was in prison btw. Don king paid lewis step aside money to try and unify the le in 96 and take the "easy" fight with holyfield though. Rid howe would have beat the fuk outta lewis in 93. no contest. Bowe was a warrior. I've never seen that fight in which lewis went out in his prime and could stand and bang with a puncher like that.
    You do know he ed Bowe up during the Olympics right? He nearly ko'd him lol I doubt he would lose to him in the professionals.

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    ing terrible. He isn't even in the conversation. No one who knows/cares about the sweet science would even read your comment. Go back to watching Naruto. Also, Tyson in his prime was not going to be stopped by any man on the planet. That's a fact. Mayweather points terrible fighters, meanwhile Tyson was leveling dudes in round 1 like they weren't even pros.
    You fail to mention that Heavyweight has no top weight. Tyson went up against guys 5"+ taller than him to 30+ lbs heavier than him and still knocked the out of them.

    IMO, Tyson, in his prime, was the greatest fighter ever. That is what boxing is all about. Great footwork, great defensive ability, great attacks, and the best knockout punch ever.

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    cab drivers? Holmes in 87 was a cab driver? The same Holmes 4 years later took holyfield the distance? Tony Tucker was undefeated and a champion and went the distance with Lennox Lewis years later. Tyson destroyed Ruddock's career through 19 rounds and he was never the same after that . Spinks was older, but he had never been knocked down or out and let's not forget more than a few people were picking spinks in 88(i didn't). Tyson was a defensive specialist. He not only made you miss, but he made you pay. Tyson wasn't just some club fighter like Gatti. You can't be serious. He was one of the best defensive hws of all time.
    And reason Tyson had to be defensive has because he was only 5'10, fighting in the HW class where guys avg 6'2" or taller. And Tyson was on the offensive when he was defenisve. It was brilliant boxing to watch him in his prime. Mayweather is always backup and doing 1-2 combos until he wears his opponent. It a sucessful method to winning for him, but imo its boring as to watch.

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    You fail to mention that Heavyweight has no top weight. Tyson went up against guys 5"+ taller than him to 30+ lbs heavier than him and still knocked the out of them.

    IMO, Tyson, in his prime, was the greatest fighter ever. That is what boxing is all about. Great footwork, great defensive ability, great attacks, and the best knockout punch ever.
    Not just the height but also the reach. Tyson's defense is supremely underrated and he had some of the best head movement of any fighter we've ever seen, regardless of weight class. Even Muhammed Ali said that Tyson in his prime would have beaten him. That's about as high praise as you can get from one of the iest fighters in boxing history.

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    You fail to mention that Heavyweight has no top weight. Tyson went up against guys 5"+ taller than him to 30+ lbs heavier than him and still knocked the out of them.

    IMO, Tyson, in his prime, was the greatest fighter ever. That is what boxing is all about. Great footwork, great defensive ability, great attacks, and the best knockout punch ever.
    Not just the height but also the reach. Tyson's defense is supremely underrated and he had some of the best head movement of any fighter we've ever seen, regardless of weight class. Even Muhammed Ali said that Tyson in his prime would have beaten him. That's about as high praise as you can get from one of the iest fighters in boxing history.

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    You know... in business... ethics is the highest attribute you can have... in religion its honesty... in sports its will... determination... heart. When I look at all of the great fighters throughout the years you can point to one fight that determined how much heart that fighter had. Some fighters were so good that winning was easy, and they rarely had to show heart, but at some point they met their match... and the true nature of that person rose to the occasion. You can judge a mans character by the way he responds to adversity.

    If any of what I just said is true... and even you dummies aren't stupid enough to disagree with it... then Tyson should never be mentioned as a great fighter. Inside the ring our outside the ring... when met with adversity he displayed the attribute of a coward.

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    You do know he ed Bowe up during the Olympics right? He nearly ko'd him lol I doubt he would lose to him in the professionals.
    I actually mentioned the 88 olympics. Have it on vhs, seen it a ton of times.He didn't fuk him up, he got a couple standing 8 counts which equal knockouts. He didn't knock him out like Clay bey did Joe Mesi. Amatuer fighting is different. I received one standing 8 count in my whole amateur career and I was pissed cuz my head went back from a hard punch and the ref stepped in. I asked him, "does it look like i'm hurt? " Tillman also beat tyson twice in the amatuers. Look what happened in their professional fight. 100s of amatuers fight each other and the result is differnt in the professional ranks. Roy jones beat Tarver in the amatuers.

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    Got to disagree bowe could barely handle evander, nothing against holyfield but he was much smaller than bowe and gave him trouble.
    Have you ever seen a lennox lewis fight before he became a name in the late 90s? or are you going off what he did from the late 90s and beyond. Not the same fighter by any means. Not even close. Holyfield gave everyone trouble in his prime. Not just bowe. Holyfield would have beat the out of lewis in the early 90s. Bowe and holyfield destroyed each others careers by the beatings they put on one another through 3 fights. Lewis was struggling with FRANK BRUNO. Holyfield had something that lewis never had, and that was a chin. You hit him, he keeps coming. You hit lewis that many times flush as a power puncher over and over, he doesn't see the 12th round. He was ko'd by 1 punch twice by journeymen(1 of them a tyson sparring partner). 1 punch ko's TWICE!!!

    We can agree to disagree with whom we thought would win, but one thing you CAN'T disagree with is what I posted cuz that's exactly what happened. We can sit here and type our opinions every day, but what you quoted from me actually happened. That was rock newman .

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    You know... in business... ethics is the highest attribute you can have... in religion its honesty... in sports its will... determination... heart. When I look at all of the great fighters throughout the years you can point to one fight that determined how much heart that fighter had. Some fighters were so good that winning was easy, and they rarely had to show heart, but at some point they met their match... and the true nature of that person rose to the occasion. You can judge a mans character by the way he responds to adversity.

    If any of what I just said is true... and even you dummies aren't stupid enough to disagree with it... then Tyson should never be mentioned as a great fighter. Inside the ring our outside the ring... when met with adversity he displayed the attribute of a coward.
    Lol naruto

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    You know... in business... ethics is the highest attribute you can have... in religion its honesty... in sports its will... determination... heart. When I look at all of the great fighters throughout the years you can point to one fight that determined how much heart that fighter had. Some fighters were so good that winning was easy, and they rarely had to show heart, but at some point they met their match... and the true nature of that person rose to the occasion. You can judge a mans character by the way he responds to adversity.

    If any of what I just said is true... and even you dummies aren't stupid enough to disagree with it... then Tyson should never be mentioned as a great fighter. Inside the ring our outside the ring... when met with adversity he displayed the attribute of a coward.
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