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  1. #101
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    Another meaningless chart that I'm sure some blog has debunked...
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ation_2012.xls

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    Well, that's on them. Why did Mic e Obama not use an example of "actual racism" instead of lying about her encounter with some helpful lady at a a Target. As a side note, the lady who helped Ms. Obama claims to be an Obama voter who was thrilled when she shared that anecdote on Letterman; I wonder what she thinks now.
    The lady asked Obama to help her.

    Seriously, you bolded that passage and you still got the basic facts wrong.

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    The lady asked Obama to help her.

    Seriously, you bolded that passage and you still got the basic facts wrong.
    I know you're a poster of few words -- usually taken out of context -- but, context matters.

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    I know you're a poster of few words -- usually taken out of context -- but, context matters.
    But you got the basic facts wrong.Context doesn't change that.

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    So, anyone come up with three examples of racism?

    Here, let me prompt you with one I found...

    " the white people, kill the white people"



    I know, MSNBC didn't report this so, it didn't happen.

    Search of MSNBC for "ZEMIR BEGIC"

    Search of MSNBC for "ZEMIR"

    Search of MSNBC for "BEGIC"

    I tried a number of searches, "Croatian killed in Ferguson," "Hammer beating in Ferguson," " the White People, Kill the White People," and various other iterations, using key words and phrases, looking for an MSNBC story on the murder of Zemir Begic.

    The only positive response I received was when I plugged in " the White People, Kill the White Peole:"

    Amnesty International slams Ferguson over human rights abuses

    Searched the article -- they don't mention Mr. Begic, either.
    So where's the quotes from the actual witnesses of the attack saying they heard " the White People, Kill the White People" again?

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    But you got the basic facts wrong.Context doesn't change that.
    Oh , you're being pedantic again. So, I confused the two.

    It doesn't change the question of why she would use the anecdote int he first place.

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    Oh , you're being pedantic again. So, I confused the two.
    Yes, you got the basic facts wrong.

    It doesn't change the question of why she would use the anecdote int he first place.
    She didn't make as big a deal of it as you did.

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    Yes, you got the basic facts wrong.

    She didn't make as big a deal of it as you did.
    It was in the context of a response to her experiences with racism. She must have thought it was a bigger deal than any other example she could muster.

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    It was in the context of a response to her experiences with racism. She must have thought it was a bigger deal than any other example she could muster.
    lol must

    The Obama's explicitly said their examples were minor.

    It's People magazine. I've never seen anyone take an interview there as seriously as you have.

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    So, anyone come up with three examples of racism?

    Here, let me prompt you with one I found...

    " the white people, kill the white people"



    I know, MSNBC didn't report this so, it didn't happen.

    Search of MSNBC for "ZEMIR BEGIC"

    Search of MSNBC for "ZEMIR"

    Search of MSNBC for "BEGIC"

    I tried a number of searches, "Croatian killed in Ferguson," "Hammer beating in Ferguson," " the White People, Kill the White People," and various other iterations, using key words and phrases, looking for an MSNBC story on the murder of Zemir Begic.

    The only positive response I received was when I plugged in " the White People, Kill the White Peole:"

    Amnesty International slams Ferguson over human rights abuses

    Searched the article -- they don't mention Mr. Begic, either.
    So where are the quotes from the actual witnesses of the attack saying they heard " the White People, Kill the White People" again?

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    Another meaningless chart that I'm sure some blog has debunked...
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ation_2012.xls
    Agan, I think we would find the issue more complex than the charts suggest.

    NEARLY TWO-THIRDS OF HATE CRIMES WENT UNREPORTED TO POLICE IN RECENT YEARS

    How does that missing two-thirds of the picture break out?

    I don't know, do you?

    Anecdotal evidence would suggest, blacks are more likely to report a perceived hate crime than whites. I can't prove it but, whites just don't have organizations like the NAACP, NBPP, Rainbow Coalition, National Action Network, and the Muslim Brotherhood running around ginning up a racial hate crime out of everything bad that happens to a black person.

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    lol must

    The Obama's explicitly said their examples were minor.
    But her example was a lie.

    It's People magazine. I've never seen anyone take an interview there as seriously as you have.
    I'm not sure the medium matters as much as what she's suggesting with her lie. I'd welcome a serious new outlet asking her about this to see if she can first, explain why she lied and, second, give us an example of actual racism she's experienced. Lord knows, I can't get anyone in here to give me one.
    But

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    So where are the quotes from the actual witnesses of the attack saying they heard " the White People, Kill the White People" again?
    They're in the video.

    The person heard in the video claims to have been witness to the mob chanting, " the White People, Kill the White People," right before hammering Mr. Begic to death.

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    But her example was a lie.
    Depends, really. It did make assumptions of the woman involved which can't be proved without her.


    I'm not sure the medium matters as much as what she's suggesting with her lie. I'd welcome a serious new outlet asking her about this to see if she can first, explain why she lied and, second, give us an example of actual racism she's experienced. Lord knows, I can't get anyone in here to give me one.
    But
    As I said, I have never seen anyone take this so seriously.

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    Depends, really. It did make assumptions of the woman involved which can't be proved without her.
    The lie does not require anything from the woman involved.

    About the same incident:

    Mic e Obama told David Letterman it made her feel good to be asked to help.

    Mic e Obama told People Magazine being mistaken for the help was an example of her experience with racism.

    As I said, I have never seen anyone take this so seriously.
    Okay. But, I thought our leaders' views on race were important.

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    They're in the video.

    The person heard in the video claims to have been witness to the mob chanting, " the White People, Kill the White People," right before hammering Mr. Begic to death.
    That is not a witness to the attack.

    "running up and down the street" says nothing about the attack, who did the attack, where the attack occurred.

    Once again, you've ed up simple facts.

    You're far too emotional about these things to be able to discuss them rationally.

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    That is not a witness to the attack.

    "running up and down the street" says nothing about the attack, who did the attack, where the attack occurred.

    Once again, you've ed up simple facts.

    You're far too emotional about these things to be able to discuss them rationally.
    Yeah, okay. I took a shot at helping y'all identify racist acts and failed.

    So, come up with your own examples of pervasive racism.

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    The lie does not require anything from the woman involved.

    About the same incident:

    Mic e Obama told David Letterman it made her feel good to be asked to help.

    Mic e Obama told People Magazine being mistaken for the help was an example of her experience with racism.
    Yep, and that really depends on the woman asking for help. Without knowing her reasoning, it's open to interpretation.

    Okay. But, I thought our leaders' views on race were important.
    Anecdotally, not really. But your blog really got you worked up about it.

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    Yeah, okay. I took a shot at helping y'all identify racist acts and failed.
    You certainly did fail.

    One in quite a streak of failures lately.

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    Yep, and that really depends on the woman asking for help. Without knowing her reasoning, it's open to interpretation.
    What's being discussed is Mic e Obama's interpretation. And, she has two of them.

    Anecdotally, not really. But your blog really got you worked up about it.
    Not really.

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    You certainly did fail.

    One in quite a streak of failures lately.
    So, help me out with some examples...since I'm unable to find any that meet your strict criteria.

    Black teen gets shot by a white police officer -- automatically, race is involved; Chumpy requires proof it isn't.

    White Croatian gets hammered to death on the street by multiple black men -- automatically, race is not involved unless proven to Chumpy.

    So, help me out.

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    What's being discussed is Mic e Obama's interpretation. And, she has two of them.
    Yes. So?


    Not really.
    Certainly want to make a big deal about it.

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    Asking someone to reach something on a shelf isn't racist. Anyone who thinks that is stupid.

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    Agan, I think we would find the issue more complex than the charts suggest.

    NEARLY TWO-THIRDS OF HATE CRIMES WENT UNREPORTED TO POLICE IN RECENT YEARS

    How does that missing two-thirds of the picture break out?

    I don't know, do you?

    Anecdotal evidence would suggest, blacks are more likely to report a perceived hate crime than whites. I can't prove it but, whites just don't have organizations like the NAACP, NBPP, Rainbow Coalition, National Action Network, and the Muslim Brotherhood running around ginning up a racial hate crime out of everything bad that happens to a black person.
    You asked for three examples. I gave you 1,800. There's no nuance to this conversation, unless you are suggesting that all 1,800 of the reported incidents categorized by law enforcement officials as hate crimes were incorrectly categorized as such.

    LOL "anecdotal evidence"
    LOL moving the goalposts
    LOL WorldNetDaily
    LOL even trying anymore
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    You asked for three examples. I gave you 1,800. There's no nuance to this conversation, unless you are suggesting that all 1,800 of the reported incidents categorized by law enforcement officials as hate crimes were incorrectly categorized as such.

    LOL "anecdotal evidence"
    LOL moving the goalposts
    LOL WorldNetDaily
    LOL even trying anymore
    You just gave me another graph. Yeah, let's look at the 1,800 hate crimes.

    Is this one of the 1,800 on your graph?

    College Student Caught In Another Hate Crime Hoax

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