Thanks Obama: President Praises San Antonio Spurs

[SupremeGuy]

It's the WORKING middle class who doesn't qualify for subsidies that's gonna get screwed the most. Those with subsidies will also feel the pain but in the area of either not being able to find a doctor or waiting a LONG time (because of narrow networks). Everybody will feel the pain of higher deductibles and higher co-pays.

This is the crappiest piece of legislation EVER. For those of you who have employer sponsored insurance, you too will feel the pain - the cadillac tax plan will apply to ALL policies eventually (the limit goes up at the rate of inflation - very low - compared to the plans going up by medical rate of inflation - much higher). The union workers are gonna feel it first. Explain to me how Obamacare can add millions of uninsured and someone not pay for it? People must think that money for these subsidies and Medicaid grow on trees.

Should all males and children have to pay for birth control pills, pap smears and mammograms? Should all adults have to have pediatric dental and vision coverage? Should all females have to have prostate exam coverage? Is anybody surprised that premiums are going to go through the roof with unnecessary coverage? What about all the companies cutting back workers to less than 30 hours to avoid paying for Obamacare? How is the american worker gonna compete against an illegal immigrant who a company doesn't have to pay health insurance for? How about the medical device tax that's has companies cutting jobs or running abroad? How about the cuts to Medicare to pay for this massive overreach legislation?

Don't talk to me about personal responsibility. I'm just trying to survive in the US where the president doesn't care one hoot about the American middle class. Almost everything he does is to gain votes for his party - from the REDISTRIBUTION of wealth that is Obamacare to illegal amnesty. The government needs to keep its hands off my hard earned money - I'd like to spend what little of it on what I choose - not hand it over for someone's else's health care premiums, food stamps, cell phone or subsidized housing - every able bodied adult should be working - making sandwiches, helping the elderly, cleaning public buildings - anything productive, not just sit on their butts collecting welfare. LOL, at Godbama calling me a commie - you should look at your president - that's the direction he's moving us all to - to an America where people can't get ahead by working hard, where it's better to not work and collect welfare.

[rmt]

Oh, and by the way, I'm not really following this Obamacare law (I don't live in the US), but in general terms, the idea is that the government gives free healthcare to citizens who can't pay it, by primarily taxing BIG corporations making BILLIONS of dollars (because they can cope with these taxes and still make BILLIONS), and only a fraction of what's spent on that coming from the middle class. That way, you allow the middle class to keep growing, and, big corporations making billions will still be there, making biliions.

But, once more, as I deduce from other messages here, that's not what's happening, there's not a special tax on healthcare corporations to pay for public health. Why? Well, pretty obvious, corporations don't want to give money away, and since they controll the country, congressmen will never approve such a law to tax considerably MORE those who have CONSIDERABLY MORE, and they will run this "government taking steps towards comunism" campaigns on Fox, and will spend millions brainwashing people into believing taxing mega corporations is a bad thing.

The problem with taxing corporations is that the cost is passed on to the consumer see Jonathan Gruber admitting that they deceived the American voter by saying they were gonna tax the insurance companies knowing full well that that cost will be passed on to the consumer. Excessive taxes also causes corporations to go abroad. My husband's company did that - set up their headquarters in Ireland.

Here are some suggestions:
1. Tort reform FIRST - make the side that loses pay - that'll cut down on needless lawsuits and contain unnecessary testing/costs.
2. Open up compe ion across state lines - make it like auto insurance where I can shop with Geico, Progressive. Every body has to have CHEAP catastrophic insurance (like PIP) and you add on whatever other coverage you want. This way everyone is protected against medical disaster such as cancer, heart attack but the small items (like an oil change/checkups) you SHOP AROUND (prices posted like lasik surgery) and pay for with
3. HSA (Health Savings Accounts) - everybody gets the same amount in a tax free account
4. Premiums based on age - not income - takes away the incentive to NOT work and doesn't penalize the young.
5. Pre-existing conditions - just like employment insurance - if there are no gaps in insurance, no pre-existing conditions.

Medicaid and Medicare - as before Obamacare. Compe ion drives down prices and no government involvement (no extra layer/cost of administration). People get what they want/need - not this mandated 10 essential coverages that Uncle Sam has decided that everybody must have.

[cd98]

dumb , ACA doesn't set insurance prices AT ALL. at your insurance company, they wrote ACA, not Obama.

You're right, ACA doesn't set insurance prices. But it mandates that everyone get insurance, including incredibly sick people, and it requires that insurance companies on the exchanges cover all illnesses, including preexisting illnesses. To pay for the new insureds (who can't afford insurance on their own), and particularly the very sick ones, it requires a rise in premiums. Sure the insurance companies were more than willing to take advantage of Obama's push for universal insurance. They love that everyone has to buy insurance. But don't act like Obama didn't know exactly what would happen with premiums under his law and don't forget that he openly recruited insurance companies to help in drafting the law and selling it to the American people. His hands aren't clean and blaming insurance companies alone shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the law was designed to work. If it makes you feel better, the insurance companies will all by whining and out of business when the government moves to the next step of pushing everyone into government insurance when the free market can no longer provide "affordable" health care insurance. Remember that insurance companies are getting bailouts from the government from the shortfall of premiums coming in and payments going out. That bail out won't last forever.

[cd98]

"the government gives free healthcare to citizens who can't pay it, by primarily taxing BIG corporations making BILLIONS of dollars"

that bull is NOT what ACA does

This is only partially incorrect. Corporations, big and small, that choose to keep providing insurance must bear the cost of rising premiums. Eventually, most will stop doing that and just send their employees to the exchange (as the law was designed to do). Ultimately, it will be the general public that already could afford insurance that will fund the health care of those that could not afford it. The cost increases eventually get pushed onto the middle class per usual.

[Budkin]

Take this political to the other forum.

[itsamanuthree]

The problem with taxing corporations is that the cost is passed on to the consumer see Jonathan Gruber admitting that they deceived the American voter by saying they were gonna tax the insurance companies knowing full well that that cost will be passed on to the consumer. Excessive taxes also causes corporations to go abroad. My husband's company did that - set up their headquarters in Ireland.

Here are some suggestions:
1. Tort reform FIRST - make the side that loses pay - that'll cut down on needless lawsuits and contain unnecessary testing/costs.
2. Open up compe ion across state lines - make it like auto insurance where I can shop with Geico, Progressive. Every body has to have CHEAP catastrophic insurance (like PIP) and you add on whatever other coverage you want. This way everyone is protected against medical disaster such as cancer, heart attack but the small items (like an oil change/checkups) you SHOP AROUND (prices posted like lasik surgery) and pay for with
3. HSA (Health Savings Accounts) - everybody gets the same amount in a tax free account
4. Premiums based on age - not income - takes away the incentive to NOT work and doesn't penalize the young.
5. Pre-existing conditions - just like employment insurance - if there are no gaps in insurance, no pre-existing conditions.

Medicaid and Medicare - as before Obamacare. Compe ion drives down prices and no government involvement (no extra layer/cost of administration). People get what they want/need - not this mandated 10 essential coverages that Uncle Sam has decided that everybody must have.

Fine, let's see the problem. We tax big corporations.

1. They make the consumer indirectly pay the tax.

The state does something. If the company is selling products or services which are considered basic needs, the state can put a cap on how much that can cost. Hey, companies, you can make money with these things, healthcare, food, water, electricity, etc., but the state will put a limit on that, because it needs to guarantee everybody has fair access to those basic needs, regardless.

2. The company goes abroad. it. This is the whole mentality we should change in the world. Let it go, there will be a market they left unexploited and another company will fill that space. It takes time? Yes it does. The company moving abroad might hurt the economy? Yes, it might. But in no way that will be permanent. Other manufacturers or whatever will inexorably take its place. That is, of course, if the taxes still allow the corporations to make a profit.

But these "hey, watch it, or I'll go abroad" apocalipsis speech is just that. Corporations arent stupid. If they can still make money, they will stay, and if they are leaving not because even taxes they make a lot of mony, but because they are making a political statement, or more than that, they are making a political and economical move with a very real political and economical effect on society, then we need to wake the up and asks ourselves how the heck did we end up in this situation, with corporations having enough power to shake or even destroy a country if its laws are not pleasing them. When it should be the other ing way around, companies should ADAPT to wahtever laws or rules the SOCIETY has set.

[Spurminator]

Thanks Obama: President Praises San Antonio Spurs

You knew exactly what you were doing, didn't you?

[ElNono]

You knew exactly what you were doing, didn't you?

[Mr Bones]

I predict this thread will be nice and respectful.

Well done.

[rmt]

Fine, let's see the problem. We tax big corporations.

1. They make the consumer indirectly pay the tax.

The state does something. If the company is selling products or services which are considered basic needs, the state can put a cap on how much that can cost. Hey, companies, you can make money with these things, healthcare, food, water, electricity, etc., but the state will put a limit on that, because it needs to guarantee everybody has fair access to those basic needs, regardless.

2. The company goes abroad. it. This is the whole mentality we should change in the world. Let it go, there will be a market they left unexploited and another company will fill that space. It takes time? Yes it does. The company moving abroad might hurt the economy? Yes, it might. But in no way that will be permanent. Other manufacturers or whatever will inexorably take its place. That is, of course, if the taxes still allow the corporations to make a profit.

But these "hey, watch it, or I'll go abroad" apocalipsis speech is just that. Corporations arent stupid. If they can still make money, they will stay, and if they are leaving not because even taxes they make a lot of mony, but because they are making a political statement, or more than that, they are making a political and economical move with a very real political and economical effect on society, then we need to wake the up and asks ourselves how the heck did we end up in this situation, with corporations having enough power to shake or even destroy a country if its laws are not pleasing them. When it should be the other ing way around, companies should ADAPT to wahtever laws or rules the SOCIETY has set.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. When I say that they leave, I meant that they move their headquarters to a different country e.g. Burger King moved their headquarters to Canada. I don't mean that any of their franchises moved or that they closed any Burger Kings, just that instead of paying 40% taxes to the US, BK pays 26% taxes to Canada. Companies are gonna do (legally) whatever they can to cut costs.

[itsamanuthree]

Companies are gonna do (legally) whatever they can to cut costs.

Only legally? Come on...

[hooperflash]

Spurs Special Forces hoping for another meeting with the POTUS.

[SuperCam]

smh kiwi not showing the POTUS proper respect with some thumbs in his pocket bull

[K...]

Danny green be thinking that office his soon

[313]

smh kiwi not showing the POTUS proper respect with some thumbs in his pocket bull

the only beta in the room with his thumbs in his pocket

[SuperCam]

the only beta in the room with his thumbs in his pocket

this mfer is on the spectrum i swear to god, smh. another reason pop had to bring an alpha in

[313]

this mfer is on the spectrum i swear to god, smh. another reason pop had to bring an alpha in

LMAlpha and Duncan going to take us to the promised land

[spurtech09]

smh kiwi not showing the POTUS proper respect with some thumbs in his pocket bull

Because KL Knows that Obama is going to destroy America.....Crazy Obama is doing that right now...... wake up people.....proper respects to Jesus

[hooperflash]

Everyone in the room are just preparing to put up the "Hand" sign for Kawhi, tbh.

[HI-FI]

the only beta in the room with his thumbs in his pocket

's hands are too big for pockets.

[TheGreatYacht]

smh kiwi not showing the POTUS proper respect with some thumbs in his pocket bull

Probably salty the president went 2/2 when was on the line, tbh.....

[DeRozan m8]

Jeff Ayres in the ing White House LMAO

Still better than Obama though

[313]

's hands are too big for pockets.

I wouldn't be surprised but still

He couldv'e just crossed his hands like every other guy in the room. He just had to go against the grain

[dabom]

Spurs Special Forces hoping for another meeting with the POTUS.

No porker. Did not want to be associated with the president. ing frenchy.













Or was he just eating some snacks tbh.

[DeRozan m8]

This photo just makes me love Kawhi even more, he knows what a fraud Obama is, he's sticking it back